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So I realize if you’re buying from a GW store, you’re getting it tomorrow (like me). But if you can get it from an independent, you might already have the book. So how good is it? I know the individual warscrolls are on the app, but what about the battalions and synergies in the rules. The artifacts and warlord traits? How much fun is this book looking?
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.
timetowaste85 wrote: Hah. Yeah, so like me you’re stuck waiting until tomorrow, eh? Or are you pouring through it and making an edjucated opinion in the morning?
Afaik stores are not supposed to sell stuff on Friday regardless of location, at least my flgs abides by that. But I buy them in the app anyways.
Stores are not allowed to sell stuff early, but many will post the product with the intention that it arrives on or after Saturday, though sometimes the postal service is nice and it arrives early.
Personally I'm still waiting on mine, its in the postal system so I'm fingers crossed it arrives tomorrow, but if not it will be a LONG wait until Tuesday (Bank Holiday on Monday in the UK).
You didn't see the battle reports on social media, already ?
One example :
Basically, the book seems to be made against armies with multiple wounds miniatures. Feels like FEC and Idoneth will not enjoy their tricks, and the Keeper of Secrets is basically a depravity engine. It can add up quite fast against some specific builds.
One thing I'm noticing quickly is that the Battalions are much more sensible. Comparing them back against Daughters of Khaine, where one was well over 5K in points and another was heavily reliant on a block of Stormcast, the Slaanesh Battalions are all quite practical to field within an army. Even the combined Battalion is quite practical in a points sense. They also got them onto a two page spread by cutting the big pictures about each one, which makes them far easier to compare and read.
It's also nice to see the cults and different subfaction paint schemes and the paint section alone is quite a bit more fleshed out. I think GW is pushing hard to get the purple world of Slaanesh diversified and get gamers encouraged into different schemes. A welcome addition to the book!
One thing I'm noticing quickly is that the Battalions are much more sensible. Comparing them back against Daughters of Khaine, where one was well over 5K in points and another was heavily reliant on a block of Stormcast, the Slaanesh Battalions are all quite practical to field within an army. Even the combined Battalion is quite practical in a points sense. They also got them onto a two page spread by cutting the big pictures about each one, which makes them far easier to compare and read.
It's also nice to see the cults and different subfaction paint schemes and the paint section alone is quite a bit more fleshed out. I think GW is pushing hard to get the purple world of Slaanesh diversified and get gamers encouraged into different schemes. A welcome addition to the book!
Feels like they've scaled a lot of battalions back to make them more accessible this year. Old Battalions used to be so large that I wondered if they were only designed for Apoc sized battles.
Aye which is fine, save that GW hasn't pushed Apoc style games on AoS much yet. Plus AoS, whilst having a huge legacy, is still sortof the new game since the old world shed so many fans and didn't build a huge host of new ones. Time isn't ripe yet for GW to really push for such vast armies at a major scale (esp when most are still not even complete small and regular armies with rules).
It indeed makes them far more accessible, it might also be that GW is going to put a load of 3 and 5 K battalions into Generals Handbook for all the armies and roll "extreme" game sizes out that way as a big feature one year.
One thing I'm noticing quickly is that the Battalions are much more sensible. Comparing them back against Daughters of Khaine, where one was well over 5K in points and another was heavily reliant on a block of Stormcast, the Slaanesh Battalions are all quite practical to field within an army. Even the combined Battalion is quite practical in a points sense. They also got them onto a two page spread by cutting the big pictures about each one, which makes them far easier to compare and read.
It's also nice to see the cults and different subfaction paint schemes and the paint section alone is quite a bit more fleshed out. I think GW is pushing hard to get the purple world of Slaanesh diversified and get gamers encouraged into different schemes. A welcome addition to the book!
Feels like they've scaled a lot of battalions back to make them more accessible this year. Old Battalions used to be so large that I wondered if they were only designed for Apoc sized battles.
Agreed, a good change. I am still sad that Nurgle didn't get a part of this... one of their battalions requires three tallybands T-T
auticus wrote: Characterful. Some integration with mortals (6 to hit does extra hits is for all slaanesh) and path to glory has mortals.
Nothing screams busted. There are some strong options but nothing so bent as fec, skaven, or daughters.
Overall pretty solid but will suffer against power lists.
My only real concern is the way they've built heroes into the depravity point generation system at the same time as they've bumped their costs all up. There's no hero under 120 points, so if you fill your leaders slots that is, at the very least, 720 points. That's a bit of an issue as that is as cheap as you can go whilst generating depravity points and doesn't leave a wealth of points for infantry, troops, demons, fiends and the like. I feel like they've come at two angles - one of boosting the armies magic by giving heralds wizard status, which bumped up their cost; whilst at the same time trying to introduce a new summon resource generation and tagging it onto leaders.
Then again that viewpoint is only focusing on depravity generation within an army, and there's certainly going to be tactics well outside of it. Plus throw in one keeper alone and that's a huge depravity generator on its own with its high number of attacks and wounds.
Slaanesh seems well suited to being a character hunting army; able to tackle but not benefit from dealing with swarms and likely aiming to snipe and kill off enemy monsters and leaders above all else. Armies with lots of multi-wound infantry might suffer against them, whilst those with a lot of single wound infantry are going to do better; at least in terms of depravity generation.
Basically they didnt make the obvious summon spam build. If you want to try and spam depravity there is a risk in the investment.
As it should be. However right now other books and forces like seraphon and legion of nagash and fec can bust summoning, so depravity looks poor in comparison.
So I've gotten through the crunch, and it seems like a very finesse army where performance is dramatically affected by which characters you take, how you equip them, and your skill at utilizing them on the battlefield. The troops & buffs for them are rather straightforward, but the ability to screw with the enemy is quite high.
Sidenote; a 30-man blob of marked warriors is really good for a Slaanesh army.
Finished my first game with new Slaanesh. Pretty fun and has some interesting combos. I feel we moved sideways from where we were. Still strong, we got some good battalions that don't feel awful and have good synergies. We're hero hungry, but we can spawn in more heroes, and if done right, you can always be healing on your keepers to keep them in the fight. I went from 6 wounds remaining back up to 11 wounds in a single turn. Will have to see how it all pans out more.
Nearly 3k+ points of Slaanesh (AoS)
2500 points of Ironjawz
Too many points of Space Marines.
That does not stop fnp abilities like disgustingly resilient because those are not saves. It is just clarifying that no armor save is made.
I like that one too, because it is good but also high cost (though I would have put it a bit higher personally) and because having stuff do mortals on 6's to wound does not bother me. It is essentially saying 'on a 6 to wound no save' verses when it is on hit rolls where the attack gets to skip rolling to wound entirely on top of ignoring the save.
I like all the Slaanesh battalions for that matter. I wish they get more of them, but with the design they went with everything is covered and all the options are useful so I really can't complain.
Clarifying in the rules that there is no armor save made on a mortal wound is kind of... stupidly pointless. The core rules already specify mortal wounds give you no normal save.
They could have just spared putting that in there and said 6s are mortal wounds.
And thats frustrating for me because it seemed obvious it meant no save was able to be made. Unless its stating that the only type of actual save is a regular armor save which loops me back to why bother clarifying you don't get an armor save against mortal wounds when that is covered in the core rules. No other mortal wound ability has this clarification anywhere in the game. Its unique to that battalion.
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That was my interpretation. Otherwise there is no need for it to have the no save clarification. I think its a hard counter to things like daughters bouncing wounds in your face, etc.
Well daughters bounce MWs on unmodified saves of 6, so it does counter that. But as it stands fnp abilities are just that; abilities. MWs explicitly say they don't allow saves, so if those abilities did count as saves then MWs from any source would ignore them.
So we've gotten some Hedonist games under our belt in our group (competitive play), and here are my impressions on it:
Very finesse. I don't want to call them a glass cannon, but they're certainly fragile. They hit hard and fast (with a lot of options to force opponents to Fight Last), but if you hit them with any concerted effort, they crumple like wet paper. A large part of their survivability is tied to being able to force ASL onto their opponents and then doing as much damage as they can before your units can retaliate.
Shalaxi is not great. When she can hit a target she's supposed to (a Hero or Hero/Monster), she can do decent. But low volume of attacks (high risk to missing, unless you can buff for rerolls) means she's not always consistent. I think a generic Keeper is better in almost every regard.
Exploding on natural 6's is a huge buff, meaning you can't debuff to cripple a large part of their offensive output.
Positioning is going to be hugely important. With a short 1" reach (from what I experienced) on a lot of their units, you can (especially for bigger units) stretch them out by attacking multiple sides and forcing that unit coherency. This can help reduce wraps and pile-ins, reducing the amount of incoming attacks. Conversely, as a Hedonite, you need to be careful you don't find yourself stretched too thin, and clumping a bit will really allow you to maximize the bodies you can get in there.
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