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This might be obvious, but since you can add the Ynnari Characters to CWE, Druhkari or Harlequin detachments, does that mean they cannot fill the minimum?
"When" is a detachment considered CWE, Druhkari or Harlequin? Because if the detachment has to have its minimum slots filled first, that puts the Ynnari Characters in a weird place.

For the record, I do think you can use them to fill the minimums and per their Index, they do not prevent said detachment from staying <Craftworld>, etc. It's just a thought that occurred to me that I think merits discussing

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 Galef wrote:
This might be obvious, but since you can add the Ynnari Characters to CWE, Druhkari or Harlequin detachments, does that mean they cannot fill the minimum?
"When" is a detachment considered CWE, Druhkari or Harlequin? Because if the detachment has to have its minimum slots filled first, that puts the Ynnari Characters in a weird place.

For the record, I do think you can use them to fill the minimums and per their Index, they do not prevent said detachment from staying <Craftworld>, etc. It's just a thought that occurred to me that I think merits discussing

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They can fill the minimums because they do not have a rule stating they do not take up a detachment slot (e.g. Runtherds), as clarified in CA18 (why it's there and not in the BRB FAQ is beyond me).

You don't actually select what type of detachment you want something to be, it just is.

Codex: Craftworlds Page 116 wrote:In this section you’ll find rules for Battle-forged armies that include Craftworlds Detachments – that is, any Detachment which only includes Craftworlds units (as defined below).

A Craftworlds detachment is a detachment that only includes Craftworld units. A detachment that contains an Ynnari Character and otherwise only Craftsworlds units normally would not be a Craftworlds detachment, but the Ynnari Characters have a special rule allowing it to remain as such.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, it's just odd that the "timing", if there is such a thing, made the situation a bit odd.

So I can have a CWE Patrol with just 1 unit of Rangers and have the Yncarne be the only HQ. It is still a CWE detachment and thus grants Strats, etc.
Might be how I add "Agents of Vect" to a list. Yncarne + 5 Kabalites. IDK

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The mini codex says: "If your army if Battle-forged you can include [the Ynnari HQs] in any [CWE/Harly/DE] detachment..." which implies you'd need a legal detachment to add them to. So you'd need an Archon in there if you want to benefit from the BH obsession.

dumb_numpty wrote:
The mini codex says: "If your army if Battle-forged you can include [the Ynnari HQs] in any [CWE/Harly/DE] detachment..." which implies you'd need a legal detachment to add them to. So you'd need an Archon in there if you want to benefit from the BH obsession.

"Include" in a detachment is not the same thing as "add" to a detachment. If I were to say I'm going to include a Primaris Captain in a Space Marine detachment that would not mean that I'm adding him to a detachment that already has an HQ choice in it.

That's a good call out DrTom! "Include" doesn't mean that same as "add", so the implication would be that any of the Ynnari characters could fill any mini HQ requirements by being included.

 doctortom wrote:


"Include" in a detachment is not the same thing as "add" to a detachment. If I were to say I'm going to include a Primaris Captain in a Space Marine detachment that would not mean that I'm adding him to a detachment that already has an HQ choice in it.

My point was that it's not battle-forged if the detachment isn't legal (i.e. 1 HQ, 1 Troop in this example) so there's nothing you can attach it to/include it in. However, I suspect if we follow that logic to its conclusion we might not be able to include any units in anything, so you're probably right.

ETA: Actually. I take that back. The core rules (p.240) talk about organising units into detachments. There, at least, it's not about 'including' things. You're creating detachments. The Ynnari rules specifically talk about including in the Ynnari HQs in "...any Craftworlds/Harlequin/Drukhari Detachment (as defined in their respective codexes)....". So, how can you construct a legal detachment as per those codexes without (in this example) including the Archon?

dumb_numpty wrote:

 doctortom wrote:


"Include" in a detachment is not the same thing as "add" to a detachment. If I were to say I'm going to include a Primaris Captain in a Space Marine detachment that would not mean that I'm adding him to a detachment that already has an HQ choice in it.

My point was that it's not battle-forged if the detachment isn't legal (i.e. 1 HQ, 1 Troop in this example) so there's nothing you can attach it to/include it in. However, I suspect if we follow that logic to its conclusion we might not be able to include any units in anything, so you're probably right.

ETA: Actually. I take that back. The core rules (p.240) talk about organising units into detachments. There, at least, it's not about 'including' things. You're creating detachments. The Ynnari rules specifically talk about including in the Ynnari HQs in "...any Craftworlds/Harlequin/Drukhari Detachment (as defined in their respective codexes)....". So, how can you construct a legal detachment as per those codexes without (in this example) including the Archon?

Galef's example of the Yncarne and 1 unit of Rangers would be a valid, battleforged Patrol detachment. It meets the requirements of having 1 HQ - the Yncarne, and 1 Troop unit - the Rangers. The Ynnari fiulfills the requirement of having a unit in the HQ slot, as per their rules. It doesn't say the detachment is battleforged BEFORE adding the Ynarri unit.

 doctortom wrote:

Galef's example of the Yncarne and 1 unit of Rangers would be a valid, battleforged Patrol detachment. It meets the requirements of having 1 HQ - the Yncarne, and 1 Troop unit - the Rangers. The Ynnari fiulfills the requirement of having a unit in the HQ slot, as per their rules. It doesn't say the detachment is battleforged BEFORE adding the Ynarri unit.

I absolutely see your point and you (all) are probably correct. Do we have examples from other armies that are constructed in a similar way? (FYI, AFAIK only armies are battle-forged, detachments are just legal/illegal, for want of a better term)

Agree it's legal.

List building isn't an algorithmic process in this game. It effectively all happens at the same time. You put all the units together, and the result needs to be a legal list. There's no incremental adding of units to the list.