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Hi i have some questions that FAQ doesn't answered me:

"Terror Tactics", the Night Lord Trait, says:
"Models in enemy unit must subtract 1 from their Leadership characteristic for each unit with this trait within 6" of theirs (of a maximum of -3)"

now, how do it works with other abilities which subtract LDs?

For example: if i charge 1 enemy unit with 2 units of Night Lord Raptors equipped both with icon of despair how much is the total debuff to that unit LD?

raptors rules: fearsome visage: Units within 1" of any enemy raptor must subtract 1 to their Leadership characteristic.
icon of despair: enemy units that are within 6" of any units from your army with a Icon of Despair must subtract 1 from their Leadership characteristic.

Thanks

Apply each rule individually. They do not conflict with each other.

Haarken plus 3 NL units plus Raptors plus Despair will get you -6 to LD. Terror Lord will get them to roll two dice and pick highest. And if you want a knight you can stack another -1. Butcher cannons will also add among a few other things.

thanks that's what i wanted to hear ;D...upset about harkeen is only for Black legion

baxthepaz wrote:
thanks that's what i wanted to hear ;D...upset about harkeen is only for Black legion

He still gives all raptors rerolls to hit.

Take a BL detachment and a NL one as well and you're good as gold.

This is about 1600 points, which gives you room to gear and add whatever else. It should be easy enough to stack to -5 (turn 2 forward) if a butcher cannon kills a model, so IS are fleeing 3 or 4 models when they lose 1.

Black Legion Battalion
Haarken - 115
Discordant, AC - 160

3x5 CSM -- CC, CB - 261

Contemptor, 2x Butcher - 138
Contemptor, 2x Butcher - 138

Venomcrawler - 130
Venomcrawler - 130

Night Lords Vanguard -- HOST RAPTORIAL
Jump Chaos Lord, WL, TIP OF THE CLAW - 93

10 Raptors, Despair - 150
2x5 Warp Talons - 260

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Apply each rule individually. They do not conflict with each other.

Haarken plus 3 NL units plus Raptors plus Despair will get you -6 to LD. Terror Lord will get them to roll two dice and pick highest. And if you want a knight you can stack another -1. Butcher cannons will also add among a few other things.

Unfortunately butcher cannons arent cumulative. This means they only work on their own.

 p5freak wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Apply each rule individually. They do not conflict with each other.

Haarken plus 3 NL units plus Raptors plus Despair will get you -6 to LD. Terror Lord will get them to roll two dice and pick highest. And if you want a knight you can stack another -1. Butcher cannons will also add among a few other things.

Unfortunately butcher cannons arent cumulative. This means they only work on their own.

I just mean bespoke rules don't override other bespoke rules so that Butcher Cannon + NL + etc will stack.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Apply each rule individually. They do not conflict with each other.

Haarken plus 3 NL units plus Raptors plus Despair will get you -6 to LD. Terror Lord will get them to roll two dice and pick highest. And if you want a knight you can stack another -1. Butcher cannons will also add among a few other things.

Add a dark apostle, use Litany of Despair, and your opponent has to roll 3D6, discarding the lowest result, and use the highest result.

Chaos/daemons can stack up more than -10 LD. Note that a characteristic can not be modified below 1. If its negative, it counts as 1.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:
I just mean bespoke rules don't override other bespoke rules so that Butcher Cannon + NL + etc will stack.

No. Not cumulative means it doesnt add to anything.

 p5freak wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Apply each rule individually. They do not conflict with each other.

Haarken plus 3 NL units plus Raptors plus Despair will get you -6 to LD. Terror Lord will get them to roll two dice and pick highest. And if you want a knight you can stack another -1. Butcher cannons will also add among a few other things.

Add a dark apostle, use Litany of Despair, and your opponent has to roll 3D6, discarding the lowest result, and use the highest result.

Chaos/daemons can stack up more than -10 LD. Note that a characteristic can not be modified below 1. If its negative, it counts as 1.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:
I just mean bespoke rules don't override other bespoke rules so that Butcher Cannon + NL + etc will stack.

No. Not cumulative means it doesnt add to anything.

Ah. I got you. I did not read that rule properly. Thanks for catching that.

well do it means that if i kill 1 model with butcher cannon and then charge with 1 unit who gives -3 LD, in the morale phase, enemy has just -2 LD?

next, do "fearsome visage" stack itself with 2 units?
same for the icon of despair...

Abilities with the same name don't stack. Unless stated otherwise. The legion trait for night lords is cumulative up to -3. Two or more icons of despair don't stack, two or more fearsome visages don't stack.
Its unknown how butcher cannons interact with other negatives to LD. The intention could be that they don't stack with other butcher cannons. But we don't know. Blame FW, their rules are even worse than GWs. There was a thread in YMDC about it, and no solution.