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I want to do the best or most competitive I should say CSM and Renegade Knight list possible.

Prolly at 15-2k points. I don't care if it's a trash idea, just as long as it's the best it can be possible.

Spam Daemon Engine Riders, and other fast moving units, plus some Dark Apostle to give -1 to hit aura and rerolls to hit in combat. So long as you are not running into (heavily nerfed) Castellan plus Crusader list, you should do pretty good.