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2019/06/15 18:38:05
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
Hi Guys,
I have an upcoming ICT tournament, for which I'm committed to bringing a Chaos soup army. Right now I have the skeleton of the list in mind, but I wanted your advice on how to fill it out. The base of the list is:
Supreme Command - Thousand Sons 1x Ahriman w/ Disc (166)
1x Daemon Prince of Tzeentch w/ Wings: Malefic Talons (170)
1x Daemon Prince of Tzeentch w/ Wings: Malefic Talons (170)
Battalion - Chaos Daemons 1x Poxbringer (70)
1x Sloppity Bilepiper (60)
1x Changecaster (78)
25x Plaguebearers: Full Command (200)
25x Plaguebringers: Full Command (200)
30x Pink Horrors: Full Command (235)
That brings the current total up to 1349 points, leaving me with c. 650 to fill it out. Some of the options I've been thinking of include:
1) Another Chaos Daemon battalion, with a Khorne Daemon Prince w/ Skullreaver, a bloodthirsty bomb, and some Nurglings.
2) A Knight
3) Magnus/Mortarion
4) A Death Guard Vanguard of Blightlord Terminators and some other cheap elites.
And, of course, there are many other options we could take, but these are just the ones that have been kicking around the tournament scene. But any advice on what to add, and some reasons for it, would be great!
World Eaters: 5780pts
Khorne Daemons: 3450pts
Chaos Knights: 2000pts
Sisters of Battle: 5000pts
Imperial Agents: 410pts
Gloomspite Gitz: 7190pts
Blades of Khorne Daemons: 3810pts
Skaven: 1270pts
Destruction Mercenaries: 470pts
Endless Spells and Incarnates: 1380pts
2019/06/15 19:26:44
Subject: Re:[2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
Bringing 2 30 man units of plaugebears would be better for more durability... They are your core units for this kind of list.. They give you board control and insane survivability.
Khorne prince is always nice.. and takes out anything in its way if played right. Morty could just soak some firepower
And just remember this list isn't meant to kill it's meant to survive.
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2019/06/15 19:28:32
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
You've pretty much copied Jim's list , so I'd say go full ditto. Plus those extra khorne bits can't be picked out like the others and they add some much need speed ton the army.
I'd also grab 30 plaguebearers. Much more potent then. No point going 25 each, when you can go 30
2019/06/16 11:56:00
Subject: Re:[2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
I generally play this list at tournements and it goes well. It would fit into a similar list as the one above. I find the scarabs work really well with Ahriman and friends. Turn 1 hide out of LoS and use dark matter crystal to clear screen for bloodletters and daemon princes.
Thanks for all the advice guys! May I ask: I've seen terminators of various kind used in this list, and what exactly they are used for. Is it more for clearing screens, or as a talk-all-comers/hard-to-bugde unit?
World Eaters: 5780pts
Khorne Daemons: 3450pts
Chaos Knights: 2000pts
Sisters of Battle: 5000pts
Imperial Agents: 410pts
Gloomspite Gitz: 7190pts
Blades of Khorne Daemons: 3810pts
Skaven: 1270pts
Destruction Mercenaries: 470pts
Endless Spells and Incarnates: 1380pts
2019/06/16 14:04:15
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
TonyH122 wrote: Thanks for all the advice guys! May I ask: I've seen terminators of various kind used in this list, and what exactly they are used for. Is it more for clearing screens, or as a talk-all-comers/hard-to-bugde unit?
I think scarabs, blightlord and regular termies are all worth taking now. I use mine for screen clearing and objective holders. You just have to screen smite spam well.
2019/06/16 14:41:05
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
TonyH122 wrote: Thanks for all the advice guys! May I ask: I've seen terminators of various kind used in this list, and what exactly they are used for. Is it more for clearing screens, or as a talk-all-comers/hard-to-bugde unit?
I think scarabs, blightlord and regular termies are all worth taking now. I use mine for screen clearing and objective holders. You just have to screen smite spam well.
Thanks for the insight. Just a question here: Wouldn't Pink Horrors do this job just as well, but cheaper? That's the thing I'm struggling with in thinking about their role.
I should also mention that this is the list that I'm currently working with, and wondered what the Terminators would add that isn't already available:
Supreme Command – Thousand Sons 1x Ahriman w/ Disc (166) Psychic Powers: Bolt of Change, Doombolt, Death Hex
1x Daemon Prince w/ Wings: Malefic Talons (170) Warlord Trait: High Magister Relic: Helm of the Third Eye Psychic Powers: Tzeentch's Firestorm, Infernal Gateway
Obviously it's a bit more swarmy than many other lists, lacking FW Dreadnoughts or Terminators. But then hordes are always good. Also lacking elite units, I've gone for psychic powers that focus primarily on mortal wounds, rather than unit buffs. What I see as the main issue with this list is that it starts with 14CP, but immediately drops 7 for relics and particularly deep-striking. But if people had thoughts on what terminators/contemptors might bring to this, I would love to hear it!
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World Eaters: 5780pts
Khorne Daemons: 3450pts
Chaos Knights: 2000pts
Sisters of Battle: 5000pts
Imperial Agents: 410pts
Gloomspite Gitz: 7190pts
Blades of Khorne Daemons: 3810pts
Skaven: 1270pts
Destruction Mercenaries: 470pts
Endless Spells and Incarnates: 1380pts
2019/06/16 15:05:31
Subject: Re:[2000] - Chaos Soup - ITC Tournament List Help
Not really with presience and VotLW they're pretty reliably killing 30-35 guardsmen/boyz/firewarriors a turn. Whereas 30 horrors with flickering flames kill 20-30. But they are about 110 points cheaper with less survivability and range but more board presence.
So there's pros and cons to both choices.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That list looks solid btw. Winged daemon princes are 180.
You also don't need banner and instrument on pinks. I'd see if you find the points to take exhalted sorcerer on disc rather than Terminator sorcerer. The mobility is worth the points.
Other than that looks a good list
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