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After day one team USA is sitting in 5th position based on points after winning their first two matches (defeating Ireland and Greece). Round 3 should be interesting as they face England who happens to have a former member of team USA (Nick Nanavati) on their squad. England is coming off victories against Finland and Germany. Should be an interesting one. On a side note Team Canada also won both their matches and are sitting at 7 and face Poland. Russia and France are currently at 1&2 with Belarus and Denmark 3&4. Tomorrow is the day that starts to shake things up.

Does anyone know why Nick is joining England this year?

Well done to team USA!

How we doing on the AoS side of things?

AOS we are currently 7 out of 12. Round one suffered a big loss to England (who is in first place) and then dominated Italy with a perfect score where all 6 players maxed out. They play Greece tomorrow.

Where can we find these results?

Tourney keeper is the scoring program. https://tourneykeeper.net/

Looks like England got the win 100-60. USA is paired against the Swedes which I can only imagine the banter that will be going back and forth given the close relationship that has developed between the teams.

For Aos USA won their match against Greece.

Stoni42 wrote:
Does anyone know why Nick is joining England this year?

Some personal disagreement between Nick and the US team captain I believe.

Stoni42 wrote:
Does anyone know why Nick is joining England this year?

Same reason TJ Lanigan joined Canada. They want to play, the US team didn’t want them, and they have enough renown / status to merc for a contender team, not just a random UN team.

Round 4 is complete and USA got the win against Sweden. They currently sit in 6th place and probably will face Denmark in the next round. Russia and England face off in the top spot.

In aos USA won against France and are in second place behind England. They face the Swedes in round 5.

Round 5 on the top table, Russia vs. England was a draw.

With Russia leading in points overall, it was their tournament to lose.

Apparently Russia got a penalty of some kind and the Round 6 top match for the (most likely) win is now Australia vs. England.

Seems the UK won AoS with a round in hand.

UK is in the position to win the W40k tournament.

Team USA beat Denmark in round 5 and is currently down 54-6to Poland with 5 games left. They will need to do well with these to medal.


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Looks like USA lost to Poland to end up in 6th based on point tie breakers. England and Russia both one and due to the penalty against Russia England gets the gold, Russia silver and Poland bronze.

For aos England won all their matches, USA got silver and Sweden bronze.

Almost like the game was invented there or something!!

2019 ETC Final standings

https://www.battle-report.com/2019/08/11/2019-european-team-championship-warhammer-40000/

Cheers,

Thoth

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:
Almost like the game was invented there or something!!

How often is it really the case, that the winning team is from the “inventing” country?
Penalty to Russia looks a bit like BS, tbh

Not Football, Rugby or Cricket. Or Hockey. Or Curling.

Come to think of it, the hallmark of a British Sport is the inventors not being terribly good at it


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Also, proud to say one of the English AoS players attends my local club. So there's a Lame to Fame for you.

Live vicariously, my friends!

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Penalty to Russia looks a bit like BS, tbh

What are the details on this? I can’t find anything!

All I've heard is conduct related. Possibly due to slow play type things?

From what I have heard on the a youtube channel covering the event (french wargame studio) :
* Russia, penalty due to multiple warnings for slow play, accumulated from different players.
* Ukraine : red card, match loss, "excommunication" of a player busted at the last round for having a loaded dice (rolling only )

Ah, so not BS then as it was multiple warnings so they had a choice of speeding up or take a penalty. Chess clocks in future years could help reduce potential conflicts.
Wouldn’t stop loaded dice! I’ve seen an event provide dice to eliminate this risk but it’s really bad that people are doing that

That was pretty strange "slow play" as far as i seen.

Flashie08 wrote:
Chess clocks in future years could help reduce potential conflicts.

Well that was the case - they all had a chess clocks.
And penalty conducted after the general score was set, just sayin.

But anyway - both team are the strongest this year, and England being a tiny bit better. Congratulations to all!

 SkuzlBuTt wrote:
That was pretty strange "slow play" as far as i seen.

They almost got disqualified for the same behavior last year. I thought they'd have cleaned up their act by now.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 SkuzlBuTt wrote:
That was pretty strange "slow play" as far as i seen.

They almost got disqualified for the same behavior last year. I thought they'd have cleaned up the
ir act by now.

Just talked about that with team member and he mentioned that not a problem at all during last years, that's new thing in ETC rules and that's all.
about disqualification none from 3 slavic countries never heard about that stuff. So i don't know why you think so.
At previous year Russian team member Slavik has one warn - not even notice, just warn. And that's all.

The ETC Head Judge Neil Kerr has just posted a long explanation on the Competitive 40k fb page. It does explain and justify things whilst highlighting the Russian players great attitude throughout the weekend, which is cool.

Can you post link pls?

 SkuzlBuTt wrote:
Can you post link pls?

So I don’t know how to do face book links but have copied and pasted the post below. Original is in the Competitive 40k Facebook page.

“ETC Head Referee Neil “Skcuzz” Kerr here:

So it was the ETC this weekend and if you were following things you will have noticed Russia was docked 15pts which resulted in them getting no points in their draw against England.

In short Russia had occurred 3 separate warnings for time management for 3 different players in their team over 2 rounds (4 & 5 respectively). Whilst warning carry no penalty to the player (unlike Yellow and Red cards) if a team receives more than 1 they do start to occur a cumulative points penalty to the team. So since Russia had received 3 by the end of round 5 as a team they received -5 for the 2nd and a further -10 for the 3rd. So 15pts were taken from their score for the round.

It should be noted that I was told repeatedly over the weekend what a great bunch of lads the Russians were. These warnings and penalties do not reflect the gray attitude they show towards gaming.

This penalty for cumulative warnings is done to stop teams ‘strategically’ spreading out slow play warnings to gain advantages but avoid cards.

Now unlike yellow/red cards, these do not “shift” the score required to get a win/draw (ie yellow is -10 so now there is only 150pts in the round and thus you need 65/75 respectively) instead they are removed from team’s final score for that round; which in the case of Russia was 77pts. So 77-15=62pts which brought them below the 75pt threshold for a draw.

As such Russia gets 0 points but England only get 1 because they only scored enough to get a draw.

Now a similar thing happened to Belarus vs Canada. Cumulatively they included 4 infractions as a team and as a result took a 30point hit. That 4 included a players who received direct Yellow Card for unsportsmanlike conduct. So he individually lost 10pts from his individual games. In this case though Canada had lost the round by such a margin that the penalties had no effect.

Next up; regarding the red card for having a loaded die (it doesn’t matter which team btw) it was brought to referee corps’s attention that a player had a loaded die. Once it was verified it was indeed a loaded die the player was red carded (0-20) and left the venue. I checked with previous opponents and showed them the die, all said they didn’t think he used it in their games, but couldn’t be certain. But regardless he had a loaded die with him at the ETC, moreover he tried to hide it when the referees confronted him, so the only possible answer was to red card him. His previous results will be redacted to 0-20, which means 2 teams will move up the rankings as their round score will change as a result of the amended score. As to which team said player played for, that is irrelevant; one player’s actions have ZERO bearing on the reputation and credibility of the rest of his team. I can assure you they were as angry as I was. As such I ask that even if you know which team he played for, or what the player’s name is, you refrain from posting it here, as a witch hunt is unnecessary at this point.

Thanks to everyone who made the 2019 40K ETC the awesome event it was. I love you all and am looking forward to seeing everyone in Luxembourg.

Signing out as head ref for yet another year

Ciao! Neil.“

 Omega-soul wrote:

Flashie08 wrote:
Chess clocks in future years could help reduce potential conflicts.

Well that was the case - they all had a chess clocks.
And penalty conducted after the general score was set, just sayin.

But anyway - both team are the strongest this year, and England being a tiny bit better. Congratulations to all!

Ummm...How can you slowplay if you have chess clock? That seems weird. Seems hard you could game advantage by slowplaying your own time when all that does is give opponent free chance to play without you being able to do anything(or flat out lose). What was the rule for running out of clock there then? Or were chess clocks just not used?

Albeit I'm not heavily into ultra competive tournaments so maybe I'm missing some way slow play can be beneficitial even with chess clocks dividing player time to half(and in which case seems chess clocks aren't the answer proponents are and best solution would be to stop following GW's marketing thing and reduce points rather than reward GW for upping point sizes and dropping point costs)