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Just as the title says. I would appreciate it in answering that people would segregate named characters from the regular list, if possible. I’m mostly concerned with units any craftworld can take, but I understand the value of specific characters.

2d ed:
Phoenix Lords (6 models)
Avatar of Khaine
Warlocks on foot (some are older than others)
Warp Spiders

Not as old but gak:
Shining Spears (finecast + plastic)

Finecast:
Autarch on foot (doesn't exist technically, you're supposed to use Yriel)
Yriel
Autarch on Jetbike (resin on previous edition plastic bike)

Finecast Troops choices:
Rangers
Storm Guardians (finecast kit + plastic guardians, one of the most expensive per money unit troops out there because they are 6 ppm models)

Finecast:
Banshees
Dragons
Dark Reapers
Scorpions
Hawks

Plastic but quite old:
Falcon (25 yo, has some sort of troubles as rhino - quality lost through time, which carries over to every CW tank out there)
Vyper, maybe
Can't say Guardians are super good looking at this point either, but whatever

Do you mean a list of all the finecast that needs to be put into plastic?

 Argive wrote:
Do you mean a list of all the finecast that needs to be put into plastic?

Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Do you mean a list of all the finecast that needs to be put into plastic?

Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

It appears that GW is willing to turn all CWE models into plastic.
But this will become rather expensive for the customer.
I guess that the 5 Banshee box will be around 40 bucks.

They're already 40 bucks.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Do you mean a list of all the finecast that needs to be put into plastic?

Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

It appears that GW is willing to turn all CWE models into plastic.
But this will become rather expensive for the customer.
I guess that the 5 Banshee box will be around 40 bucks.

I’m building Militarum Tempestus at the moment. I’m used to it.

 Apple Peel wrote:
Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

Well it depends on the army you're making. Like, you can build Ulthwe with Guardians in Serpents and some Hemlocks, plastic Eldrad, some other vehicles and there won't be resin there.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

Well it depends on the army you're making. Like, you can build Ulthwe with Guardians in Serpents and some Hemlocks, plastic Eldrad, some other vehicles and there won't be resin there.

It’s more of a flexibility thing. I like lots of options. This won’t be anytime soon.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

Well it depends on the army you're making. Like, you can build Ulthwe with Guardians in Serpents and some Hemlocks, plastic Eldrad, some other vehicles and there won't be resin there.

Or a Iyanden army with Wraithguard, Dire Avengers and Guardians in Serpents or on foot.
Add Wraithlords, Wraithknight, Fire Prims, Nightspinners, Vypers and Warwalkers for fire supports.
These models are already in plastic.

 Apple Peel wrote:
It’s more of a flexibility thing. I like lots of options. This won’t be anytime soon.

Yeah, if you want to dip into Codex fully, you'll have to wait. Here's hope in ~5 years CW range is going to be updated completely.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:
It’s more of a flexibility thing. I like lots of options. This won’t be anytime soon.

Yeah, if you want to dip into Codex fully, you'll have to wait. Here's hope in ~5 years CW range is going to be updated completely.

that is damn optimistic.

Considering how long it took and still takes for Chaos.

Well we've had quite a few plastic updates to CSM of late. Not sure why Banshees and Jain Zar are still on the list either since we literally know a plastic kit is incoming.

I think the Avatar of Khaine one is a weird enigma. It is technically available in plastic, but requires you to buy an expensive Daughters of Khaine kit to get one.

Otherwise the Asuryani line needs a comb over as it is a line that is slowly degrading over time due to too much resin upkeep and really old plastic molds.

Not Online!!! wrote:
that is damn optimistic

Well I'm giving some cred to new GW management here, as they are seem to be more eager at supporting everything than dumping into oblivion FB-style.

 Shadenuat wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
that is damn optimistic

Well I'm giving some cred to new GW management here, as they are seem to be more eager at supporting everything than dumping into oblivion FB-style.

The new gw is the old gw with a PR team though.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
that is damn optimistic

Well I'm giving some cred to new GW management here, as they are seem to be more eager at supporting everything than dumping into oblivion FB-style.

The new gw is the old gw with a PR team though.

Don't forget that the WD is much better now.
GW seems to be more cleaned up than before.
Hopefully, the Brexit will not counteract this.

I like the design of the current guardians, but the sprue needs a re polish like what the fire warriors received. The bare heads are pretty bad though tbh I only remember one or two, the sprues have a lot of wasted space. They simply need to crisp the detail and optimize them. The flash on the side of the helmets is no fun either. Could do with a couple running/shooting poses too.

 Shadenuat wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
that is damn optimistic

Well I'm giving some cred to new GW management here, as they are seem to be more eager at supporting everything than dumping into oblivion FB-style.

NuGW has dumped large portions of Sigmar armies (Elves of all stripes, Free People, Dwarves) and doubled down on "no model, no rules" (except when not...) Unironically, this is one of the worst aspects of "the New GW". I'll be pleasantly surprised if GW makes plastic kits for all the aspect warriors; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them do plastic kits for half or less and then dump the others into Legends in a couple years.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
that is damn optimistic

Well I'm giving some cred to new GW management here, as they are seem to be more eager at supporting everything than dumping into oblivion FB-style.

NuGW has dumped large portions of Sigmar armies (Elves of all stripes, Free People, Dwarves) and doubled down on "no model, no rules" (except when not...) Unironically, this is one of the worst aspects of "the New GW". I'll be pleasantly surprised if GW makes plastic kits for all the aspect warriors; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them do plastic kits for half or less and then dump the others into Legends in a couple years.

Two things to consider though:
1) GW was always going to clamp down on the "no models no rules" approach ever since they lost Chapterhouse Courtcase. At that point GW lost any chance of stopping 3rd parties copying their design ethos. Sure the renaming means that you can't call your own creation an Adaptes Astartis" or whatever but you can call it a "Space Warrior Marine" and you can make it look almost identical in terms of design ethos as long as you don't copy the sculpt itself exactly. And you can sell it and profit from it and you can't be stopped. So when that happened of course GW was going to stop putting rules into the codex/battletomes that they'd not yet made and released a model for. Why should GW put money into the pockets of 3rd party sculpting studios? This was expected.

It's also not a totally bad thing, from a gamer perspective not everyone can or is willing to convert. Converting can often be most costly than official models (esp for anyone new without boxes of half finished projects and spare bits). Heck even bits themselves from 3rd parties are not all that cheap. So it very readily levels the playingfield.

2) AoS was a mess from launch. What we've been seeing recently is GW fixing it from its launch issues. This has meant that some armies got recombined; others got dropped; some lost a lot of models; others retained them. It's messy, but the 2.0 Battletomes are sorting it out and by the end of the year we should have all armies with a tome barring Slaves to Darkness and by Q1 next year the whole game should be on 2.0 without fail. This means that the game will be finished and built as a proper game for the first time in its life. I think that this also speaks of GW looking at the 5 year plan not the 1 year plan. Seeing them remove things like dwarf cannon models and some of the high elf chioces makes me think that we will see those concepts return in the 5 year plan of releases. New Dwarven cannon models; a new aelf dragon kit etc... These things might be tied to army expansions or could be tied to new forces (GW has teased us for a long while with tales of 2 aelf forces - "Dark/draconic" aelves and "light/angelic" aelves since the start of AoS).
The massive losses are an abnormality born of a game conversion that was very badly handled and which has really only been properly sorted out in the last year and a half or so (since 2.0 launched).

I do find it kind of baffling that almost the entire Eldar range has been left unupdated for so long.

But then again this is the same company that left Sisters of Battle unupdated for about 25 years. Aparantly unaware of the frothing demand for them until now when they are about to make cash hand over foot on the new Sister range.

Over the years, Eldar haven’t done too badly.

2nd Ed brought two piece plastic guardians, some additional Warlocks, the special characters, Falcon, Vyper, Jetbikes and Warp Spiders.

3rd Ed - 5th multiparty plastic guardians and support weapons, plastic artillery, Wave Serpent, plastic War Walker and Wraithlord. Plus two sets of sculpts each for the all aspects barring Warp Spiders, and gained Shining Spears

6th-7th plastic Prism Tank, Wraithknight, Dire Avengers, War Walker, Jetbikes, character Jet-bikes, Ghost Warriors

But what they have definitely lacked is a cohesive update. It’s all been somewhat sporadic, with seemingly little rhyme or reason as to what was updated, and what wasn’t.

And that’s unfortunately left them looking a bit tired in the modern day, with too much finecast/metal compared to most ranges.

A full, plastic update to the Aspects is much needed, and one hopes the others will follow not too long after the Howling Banshees.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Do you mean a list of all the finecast that needs to be put into plastic?

Any that need to be brought into plastic. CWE is probably my top choice for a hypothetical xenos army in the future, but I don’t want to deal with super old models or resin, so I want to see how big the job is.

It appears that GW is willing to turn all CWE models into plastic.
But this will become rather expensive for the customer.
I guess that the 5 Banshee box will be around 40 bucks.

Considering the current price aproach Banshees are gonna be 45 euro if 10 models per box (like intercessors or reivers box) or 30 Euro if just 5 model per box.

In the theorically chance they come with 2x different builds for different kind of units (similar to Khymerai from Daughters of khaine as example) it will be 5 models per box and 35Euro.

If by any chance the models would be bigger (Melusai and Wraithguard come to head) the price should be around 40Euro for a 5 models box, those prices are the common norm for latest releases aside some random exceptions like latest Chaos Havocs.

given GW thinking of lets recast the less optimal choices (and overprice them) a new Vyper along the lines of the Harley Skyweaver might be a thing

also Warp Spiders with more than one pose (slightly different legs doesn't count)

What's wrong with finecast ? It is way better than plastic, smoother and as detailed.

 godardc wrote:
What's wrong with finecast ? It is way better than plastic, smoother and as detailed.

A lot of us have some bad memories from when it first came out, where quality control was quite poor. Horror stories of people having to go through a half dozen copies of a model to find one that only required a moderate amount of bubble-filling and detail re-sculpting.

Resin can bend in heat, and sometimes comes warped to start with. Plastic is generally more rugged.

Plastic is generally easier to work with, kit-bash and modify.

I’ve not found the finecast kits I’ve worked with to have any better detail, or be smoother than plastic. Of course, I only got a few kits, was disgusted with them and swore off the medium. The marine kits were not that bad. But the spindly narrow eldar parts were a nightmare. And it required the knife skills of a sushi master to carve all the flash and injection ports off the elves. Most of which were very poorly placed, so I had to be careful not to carve off gemstones or other details.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
NuGW has dumped large portions of Sigmar armies (Elves of all stripes, Free People, Dwarves).

IDK much about AoS since moment they destroyed Old World there was nothing about it which interested me, but didn't dwarves get some new models, fyreslayers, etc. and Free Cities book is on the way?

 godardc wrote:
What's wrong with finecast ? It is way better than plastic, smoother and as detailed.

No it isn't, but it's not even about that but the actual age of the models.

 godardc wrote:
What's wrong with finecast ? It is way better than plastic, smoother and as detailed.

Off the top of my head:

- Serious problems with bubbles/defects. I've had to return/replace about half of my finecast models due to moulding issues and details/features being distorted or missing entirely.

- An ungodly amount of sprue to clip away. With plastic, most pieces are held on by just a few pieces of sprue. With finecast, I've found myself having to clip away something like - no exaggeration - 50 different attachment points on a single piece. I know you only have to do this once but that doesn't make it any less tedious.

- Finecast tends to be very brittle. I've had a finecast staff shatter after falling barely 2 feet onto carpeted floor, and I believe others have had much worse issues. Put simply, any thin parts are highly likely to snap off or break, and even thicker parts are far from immune.

- There's a tenancy for Finecast swords, staffs etc. to deform. Hot water can fix this to some degree but often enough the parts still end up bending back out of shape in storage. Draigo is a lot less threatening when he's wielding a Nemesis Force Banana.


All that said, I'll still take Finecrap over metal.


EDIT: I'll also admit to being puzzled about your smoothness comment. In my experience plastic is almost always smoother than Finecast.

 godardc wrote:
What's wrong with finecast ? It is way better than plastic, smoother and as detailed.

I feel like you don't own any fine cast models at all. I own a handful of them one of which is forge world and I'll say forge world specifically is good, but GW fine cast is such a mess

Finecast is very nice when it works, but when it fails it fails hard. In my experience the bubbles are worse than for resin because with typical resin you get bubbles in more random locations between castings; so a replacement will likely fix your problem first time. The other aspect is that a bubble in regular resin tends to be that - one bubble. With Finecast you get clusters of bubbles which isn't just more to clean up; it will obliterate detail in its region. Plus you are far more likely to get those clusters in the same place cast after cast after cast. This can result in you having to get many replacements sent (because GW is just sending you a free order off the shelf with their system).

I've also found bits of mould (rubber) stuck in the models from time to time as well as the brittle comments above (which is more about finecast being brought in to replace a different material - metal - which had different properties and thus the sculpts were made with metal not a resin in mind).



Finecast got the name failcast very well because most people got problems. It wasn't just a vocal minority it was a vast majority. It's why GW has been dropping it almost as fast as they can afford to drop it.


For me I like metal, plastic and resin in general. Finecast remains one of the worst followed by the plastic mix that Privateer Press used (which I will admit was mostly because I just found it awful to clean up - it cast fine, though not with as fine a detail nor crispness to edges as it could have had - it was just really not nice to work with).

Heck I bought 2 cockatrice and replaced 1 and it still had the same problem as the one I replaced. I didn't want to start building a hoard of them so I've just decided to fix the issue by hiding it behind a pile of skulls.

Now yes finecast holds great detail - I've a Mask of Slaanesh and Herald which cast perfectly fine and they really have nice detail on them, but they are the few that didn't have issues. It means I avoid finecast as much as I can - heck I really love pyrovore sculpts and yet I don't own them since the metal ones are hard to find and cost a fortune when they do appear (or are messed up) whilst the finecast I just don't want to risk it.