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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/27/warhammer-40000-september-updategw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-3

Nothing of note, just some clarifications...


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Balance changes are being saved for CA

That basically means the only balance tool they will use is points, which is disappointing.

As far as I can tell they didn't update them yet? When I go to the FAQ page and hit sort by recently added its just the non codex marine one. Maybe I'm not doing something correct

Change the sorting to A>Z then back to recently updated and they will be the new ones.

 Ordana wrote:
Change the sorting to A>Z then back to recently updated and they will be the new ones.

Yeah I saw that in the other thread. Nothing earth shattering here which I suppose is a good thing considering marines just came out and psychic Awakening is a couple weeks away and CA 3 months away

Yeah the FAQs are there.

There are some needed clarifications to be fair. No more infinite hits!

 Stux wrote:
Yeah the FAQs are there.

There are some needed clarifications to be fair. No more infinite hits!

And they even admitted the messed that up really badly.

Dark Angels get assault 3 vindicators!

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Yeah the FAQs are there.

There are some needed clarifications to be fair. No more infinite hits!

And they even admitted the messed that up really badly.

That's what you took from that?

Sounded more like "this is why you people don't deserve nice things". Honestly can't disagree.

BuT mUh RuLeS aS wRiTtEn

Lemondish wrote:

TheAvengingKnee wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Yeah the FAQs are there.

There are some needed clarifications to be fair. No more infinite hits!

And they even admitted the messed that up really badly.

That's what you took from that?

Sounded more like "this is why you people don't deserve nice things". Honestly can't disagree.

BuT mUh RuLeS aS wRiTtEn

Nah, that was sneer for the sake of sneering from Cruddace. They screwed up when they wrote the rule. If you don't want that interaction, don't write the rules that way, simple as that. Breaking the game with that ruling didn't rely on tortured interpretations, or uncharitable reads; it was just literally a bad call (unlike the last FAQ where the charging out of a transport destroyed in overwatch really was a stretcccchhhhhhhh).

This is why it's so hard to give GW the benefit of the doubt; they should've just given a "mea culpa, we obviously didn't mean for infinite hits but that's what we wrote in the FAQ, so we're changing the ruling" -- that would've been fair.

 Stux wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/27/warhammer-40000-september-updategw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-3

Nothing of note, just some clarifications...


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Balance changes are being saved for CA

That basically means the only balance tool they will use is points, which is disappointing.

CA has always been beyond just points. Dont ignore missions and other beta rules.

 Jidmah wrote:
Dark Angels get assault 3 vindicators!

Yeah... That's weird

IG Demolisher cannons are now straight D6 shots so they match with Space Marines again. Expect to see a lot more Demolishers going forward.

That's the biggest thing I've noticed thus far.

Holy gak, IG got the updated Vindicator Cannon. Like Guard didn't already kick everyone's teeth in without breathing hard.

No clarifications for Iron Hands?
I've been playing IH for about six years now and I strongly want a few nerfs that knock out or cheeziest combos before it can hurt the rest of the Marine book as a whole.

The Newman wrote:
Holy gak, IG got the updated Vindicator Cannon. Like Guard didn't already kick everyone's teeth in without breathing hard.

You are stuck in quite the old meta.

IG havn't been winning anything for a while, and they will win a lot less now against these marines who shred armor saves like nothing.

The Newman wrote:
Holy gak, IG got the updated Vindicator Cannon. Like Guard didn't already kick everyone's teeth in without breathing hard.

Astra Militarum has a 48% win rate in tournament play. https://www.40kstats.com/faction-breakdown-report

Please don't hyperbolize the facts to suit your agenda, Guard is currently fairly well balanced.


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Waaaghpower wrote:
No clarifications for Iron Hands?
I've been playing IH for about six years now and I strongly want a few nerfs that knock out or cheeziest combos before it can hurt the rest of the Marine book as a whole.

I'd expect some nerfs and clarifications in the Iron Hands FAQ, which will likely come out next week sometime. Generally 2 weeks after a release they have errata for it.

 Vaktathi wrote:
IG Demolisher cannons are now straight D6 shots so they match with Space Marines again. Expect to see a lot more Demolishers going forward.

That's the biggest thing I've noticed thus far.

If AM is willing to get tanks within 24" of a target and move slowly to get grinding advance I'm more than happy to let them have the extra shots - the survivors anyway

What was the point of this release? There are literally no updates except for the Guard Demo cannon...

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
IG Demolisher cannons are now straight D6 shots so they match with Space Marines again. Expect to see a lot more Demolishers going forward.

That's the biggest thing I've noticed thus far.

If AM is willing to get tanks within 24" of a target and move slowly to get grinding advance I'm more than happy to let them have the extra shots - the survivors anyway

I'd expect to see 1 demolisher become more common. Generally you're taking the Emperor's Fist anyway to get the relic battlecannon, well now you take a Demolisher as well since there's a 1 CP stratagem that lets you move 10" and still double tap.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
What was the point of this release? There are literally no updates except for the Guard Demo cannon...

Because they said they would. No change means they are very comfortable with where the game is. Truly, this is the way the BIG FAQ's were meant to be - some big clarifications, saving major balance changes for Chapter Approved. I'm quite happy with it. Think of it this way; each time they changed major rules and points costs in other BIG FAQ's, it's because those were seen as critically necessary changes.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
IG Demolisher cannons are now straight D6 shots so they match with Space Marines again. Expect to see a lot more Demolishers going forward.

That's the biggest thing I've noticed thus far.

If AM is willing to get tanks within 24" of a target and move slowly to get grinding advance I'm more than happy to let them have the extra shots - the survivors anyway

With the mobility now present in the game in general, and a couple tricks IG now have access to, enemies are going to get that close regardles. Wont be the turn 1 alpha strike weapon of choice, but it certainly is a much greater pucker factor for a charging Knight or the like.

There were a couple of important changes to GSC, kelermorph cant reroll his own 1s and they can bring reserves on later than turn 3.

 Jidmah wrote:
Dark Angels get assault 3 vindicators!

Is that copy paste error I smell?

Waaaghpower wrote:
No clarifications for Iron Hands?
I've been playing IH for about six years now and I strongly want a few nerfs that knock out or cheeziest combos before it can hurt the rest of the Marine book as a whole.

These will have been finished before the IH book even released, translation takes time.
I wouldn't except any SM things in the CA either for that reason.
As people said when the SM rules started to come out, nothing is going to be changed until the Spring Faq (unless something truly broken and in need of immediate intervention happens).

 Ordana wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
No clarifications for Iron Hands?
I've been playing IH for about six years now and I strongly want a few nerfs that knock out or cheeziest combos before it can hurt the rest of the Marine book as a whole.

These will have been finished before the IH book even released, translation takes time.
I wouldn't except any SM things in the CA either for that reason.
As people said when the SM rules started to come out, nothing is going to be changed until the Spring Faq (unless something truly broken and in need of immediate intervention happens).

I'm not asking for major changes, just some clarifications. (For example, if they said that the Ironstone doesn't stack with the Dreadnought half damage stratagem, that'd be really nice.)

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
No clarifications for Iron Hands?
I've been playing IH for about six years now and I strongly want a few nerfs that knock out or cheeziest combos before it can hurt the rest of the Marine book as a whole.

These will have been finished before the IH book even released, translation takes time.
I wouldn't except any SM things in the CA either for that reason.
As people said when the SM rules started to come out, nothing is going to be changed until the Spring Faq (unless something truly broken and in need of immediate intervention happens).

I'm not asking for major changes, just some clarifications. (For example, if they said that the Ironstone doesn't stack with the Dreadnought half damage stratagem, that'd be really nice.)

Clarifications come in the usual FAQ 2 weeks after release.
Which is next week?

That stuff was again, never going to be in this set of faqs that were likely written before the IH codex released.

 Vaktathi wrote:
IG Demolisher cannons are now straight D6 shots so they match with Space Marines again. Expect to see a lot more Demolishers going forward.

That's the biggest thing I've noticed thus far.

LOL. How is it possible to buff command tanks more? I'm sorry but 2d6 str 10 shots with d6 damage against a single target all the time is basically the most OP thing in the game now. It will outdamage most titans. LOL. GW is a bunch of drunks. we really need to move on from their rules.


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 Horst wrote:

The Newman wrote:
Holy gak, IG got the updated Vindicator Cannon. Like Guard didn't already kick everyone's teeth in without breathing hard.

Astra Militarum has a 48% win rate in tournament play. https://www.40kstats.com/faction-breakdown-report

Please don't hyperbolize the facts to suit your agenda, Guard is currently fairly well balanced.


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Waaaghpower wrote:
No clarifications for Iron Hands?
I've been playing IH for about six years now and I strongly want a few nerfs that knock out or cheeziest combos before it can hurt the rest of the Marine book as a whole.

I'd expect some nerfs and clarifications in the Iron Hands FAQ, which will likely come out next week sometime. Generally 2 weeks after a release they have errata for it.

LOL gaurd rarely count as primary faction and are included in basically every imperial list. The are not fairly balanced. Command tanks and infantry are on a short list of most OP units in the game.

Is the change to Saviour Protocols new?

It is.

Yeah, if its magenta its new.
I don't get what the change is though, does it stop Shield Drones from ignoring wounds, as its after when the sequence is supposed to end?