Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

As the title suggests, do you think that the psychic awakening books will be about renewing the non marine codexes rather than all the factions getting new standalone codexes?
Personally I think non marine codexes won't be released and we'll get rules and changes in the relevant books.

No, I get more the impression it’s a way forward to do a few model updates here and there without having to go back and revise existing Codexes. My hope is it’s an excuse for them to remake their finecast line of models.

Though honestly, I’m still waiting for them to drop Endless Psionics on us, ala the Endless Spells of AoS.

It does seem like a Finecast farewell tour. It would be good for the game if it also gives everyone their 4-5 free rules for staying mono book too.

Its likely to just be a few bits and pieces - as noted for Eldar.

Most things - rules, models and formations with be (as usual) for Marines

I'd be surprised if we don't see reasonable updates beyond what they previewed, for instance at the very least I think the aspects are going to see decent rules updates judging from the banshee preview. No reason other units won't get updates as well as stratagem updates and other stuff but maybe I'm just an optimistic.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Most things - rules, models and formations with be (as usual) for Marines

Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

I’m sorry you’re right. Min/maxing to get all the best rules with a human in blue armor, red armor, and black armor are completely different. How dumb of me

kingheff wrote:
I'd be surprised if we don't see reasonable updates beyond what they previewed, for instance at the very least I think the aspects are going to see decent rules updates judging from the banshee preview. No reason other units won't get updates as well as stratagem updates and other stuff but maybe I'm just an optimistic.

While possible, I think that Specialist Detachments are the more likely route for them to go down.

I can't wait to get my optional book to make my forces feel marine like in power. Maybe chaos will get some better attention with them ? I'm sure we'll all be thrilled.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

I’m sorry you’re right. Min/maxing to get all the best rules with a human in blue armor, red armor, and black armor are completely different. How dumb of me

not everyone does that though, and should dark angel fans be denied any meaningful updates because "ohh you can just use codex blood wolves"?

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

I’m sorry you’re right. Min/maxing to get all the best rules with a human in blue armor, red armor, and black armor are completely different. How dumb of me

not everyone does that though, and should dark angel fans be denied any meaningful updates because "ohh you can just use codex blood wolves"?

Yes

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

I’m sorry you’re right. Min/maxing to get all the best rules with a human in blue armor, red armor, and black armor are completely different. How dumb of me

not everyone does that though, and should dark angel fans be denied any meaningful updates because "ohh you can just use codex blood wolves"?

Yes

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I belive GW should support it's entire product range.

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

I’m sorry you’re right. Min/maxing to get all the best rules with a human in blue armor, red armor, and black armor are completely different. How dumb of me

not everyone does that though, and should dark angel fans be denied any meaningful updates because "ohh you can just use codex blood wolves"?

Yes

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I belive GW should support it's entire product range.

His stance is kinda acceptable.
We are still Stuck in shity supplements.
Other factions haven't even dex 2.0 and the one other faction that has dex2.0 has more like 1.5 comparativly.
Yet we get force fed another 6 marine supplements.

In fairness I'm convinced the supplements came from GW realizing the marine codex had gotten too big, that some stuff we needed to be trimmed, but they didn't want to squat anything so... they put all the faction unique stuff in supplements.

BrianDavion wrote:
In fairness I'm convinced the supplements came from GW realizing the marine codex had gotten too big, that some stuff we needed to be trimmed, but they didn't want to squat anything so... they put all the faction unique stuff in supplements.

In all fairness. I believe they realized that they could milk all the marine players that way easily. Especially the long lackluster state of marines.
It's a bit like microtransactions in principle, make them annoyed long enough that they will buy the new and improved TM supplements and dexes.

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

When you can make an army out of 100% the same models across 6 different codexes, you really don't have separate factions

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Yes, new rules. Every faction gets 1, except marines who get 20, along with 5 formations, 17 model releases, and new relics.

that'll only be true for people who blindly insist any human in power armor is the same faction.

I’m sorry you’re right. Min/maxing to get all the best rules with a human in blue armor, red armor, and black armor are completely different. How dumb of me

not everyone does that though, and should dark angel fans be denied any meaningful updates because "ohh you can just use codex blood wolves"?

Yes

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I belive GW should support it's entire product range.

But mostly Marines - as always which is why there is never enough time for anything else to get more than scraps thrown to them. Do you really believe that msot of the models for the campaign will not be one form of Marine or another?

We shall see what is produced in the campaign but all previous campaign releases have had vast amount of bonuses for various different Marine Sub factions.

Sorry, Imperium players can just use a Blood Angel model and paint it green.

And frankly after a year of basically only marine releases there's more than enough things to paint blue or green.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its likely to just be a few bits and pieces - as noted for Eldar.

Most things - rules, models and formations with be (as usual) for Marines

This. 3? Psychic Awakening posts since announcement.
At least 15+ Mehroon posts since announcement.

Weird that tau players mix septs in lists, or orks mix kultures, but that's acceptable because it's all in 1 book and usually they're all painted with the same scheme.

Please note I have a chaos marine force, I don't have any of the half a dozen loyalist marine books, but I acknowledge that those factions and their fans still need to be given something.

Also it's not fair to toe everyone with meta chasing power gamers, there will be dedicated dark angel players out there who are suffering.

Dudeface wrote:
Weird that tau players mix septs in lists, or orks mix kultures, but that's acceptable because it's all in 1 book and usually they're all painted with the same scheme.

Please note I have a chaos marine force, I don't have any of the half a dozen loyalist marine books, but I acknowledge that those factions and their fans still need to be given something.

Also it's not fair to toe everyone with meta chasing power gamers, there will be dedicated dark angel players out there who are suffering.

Chaos Marines are Marines - so of course have multiple books and plenty of models...

the Angels and Wolves could have been sorted with a pdf update to include the doctrines and CT applying to vehicles etc. But instead they have to have yet another codex or Supplement or more likely yet again domniate a campaign book - Dark Angels were featured in Chapter Approved again in White Dwarf rather than any other Marine Chapter or good forbid a non Marine - even AOS had a Fyreslayer Lodge rather than just Stormcast

And of course Dark Angels just had another release from Marineworld - sorry I meant Forgeworld. They might not have had a complete rules update but there are defienatly not suffering from the vast array of models created for them despite (in the words fo the feature on them) being a Codex compliant chapter.....just like hundreds of others.

Ah the salt. Too bad. We get what we get.

I like how people are blaming marine players for what GW releases...

Nobody on dakkadakka has control over what comes out obviously.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Weird that tau players mix septs in lists, or orks mix kultures, but that's acceptable because it's all in 1 book and usually they're all painted with the same scheme.

Please note I have a chaos marine force, I don't have any of the half a dozen loyalist marine books, but I acknowledge that those factions and their fans still need to be given something.

Also it's not fair to toe everyone with meta chasing power gamers, there will be dedicated dark angel players out there who are suffering.

Chaos Marines are Marines - so of course have multiple books and plenty of models...

the Angels and Wolves could have been sorted with a pdf update to include the doctrines and CT applying to vehicles etc. But instead they have to have yet another codex or Supplement or more likely yet again domniate a campaign book - Dark Angels were featured in Chapter Approved again in White Dwarf rather than any other Marine Chapter or good forbid a non Marine - even AOS had a Fyreslayer Lodge rather than just Stormcast

And of course Dark Angels just had another release from Marineworld - sorry I meant Forgeworld. They might not have had a complete rules update but there are defienatly not suffering from the vast array of models created for them despite (in the words fo the feature on them) being a Codex compliant chapter.....just like hundreds of others.

I use 1 codex, fw is seemingly banned often according to this forum and having lots of models does not a good faction make.

Just keep being bitter rather than realising nearly every army is getting something.

Bithcing about marines getting something doesn't change the fact, it just lowers the tone of the conversation.

 fraser1191 wrote:
I like how people are blaming marine players for what GW releases...

Nobody on dakkadakka has control over what comes out obviously.

Actually, I'm Kevin Rountree.

Oh don't worry, this is 8.5 now. So everyone except chaos will get a reboot. Ready for Codex Aeldari Supplement Iyanden? Drukhari Cult of the Edgy Darkkink? Grey Knights pfffdHAHAHAH YOU STAY IN YOUR CORNER!!! YOU'RE STILL BEING PUNISHED FOR 5TH EDITION!!!!!!

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Weird that tau players mix septs in lists, or orks mix kultures, but that's acceptable because it's all in 1 book and usually they're all painted with the same scheme.

Please note I have a chaos marine force, I don't have any of the half a dozen loyalist marine books, but I acknowledge that those factions and their fans still need to be given something.

Also it's not fair to toe everyone with meta chasing power gamers, there will be dedicated dark angel players out there who are suffering.

Chaos Marines are Marines - so of course have multiple books and plenty of models...

the Angels and Wolves could have been sorted with a pdf update to include the doctrines and CT applying to vehicles etc. But instead they have to have yet another codex or Supplement or more likely yet again domniate a campaign book - Dark Angels were featured in Chapter Approved again in White Dwarf rather than any other Marine Chapter or good forbid a non Marine - even AOS had a Fyreslayer Lodge rather than just Stormcast

And of course Dark Angels just had another release from Marineworld - sorry I meant Forgeworld. They might not have had a complete rules update but there are defienatly not suffering from the vast array of models created for them despite (in the words fo the feature on them) being a Codex compliant chapter.....just like hundreds of others.

I use 1 codex, fw is seemingly banned often according to this forum and having lots of models does not a good faction make.

Just keep being bitter rather than realising nearly every army is getting something.

Bithcing about marines getting something doesn't change the fact, it just lowers the tone of the conversation.

I have a number of Marine Armies (Chaos and loyalist) so I am not so obessed with my own sub sub faction to the exclusion of all others.

Forge World is not banned except by the ignorant.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Weird that tau players mix septs in lists, or orks mix kultures, but that's acceptable because it's all in 1 book and usually they're all painted with the same scheme.

Please note I have a chaos marine force, I don't have any of the half a dozen loyalist marine books, but I acknowledge that those factions and their fans still need to be given something.

Also it's not fair to toe everyone with meta chasing power gamers, there will be dedicated dark angel players out there who are suffering.

Chaos Marines are Marines - so of course have multiple books and plenty of models...

the Angels and Wolves could have been sorted with a pdf update to include the doctrines and CT applying to vehicles etc. But instead they have to have yet another codex or Supplement or more likely yet again domniate a campaign book - Dark Angels were featured in Chapter Approved again in White Dwarf rather than any other Marine Chapter or good forbid a non Marine - even AOS had a Fyreslayer Lodge rather than just Stormcast

And of course Dark Angels just had another release from Marineworld - sorry I meant Forgeworld. They might not have had a complete rules update but there are defienatly not suffering from the vast array of models created for them despite (in the words fo the feature on them) being a Codex compliant chapter.....just like hundreds of others.

I use 1 codex, fw is seemingly banned often according to this forum and having lots of models does not a good faction make.

Just keep being bitter rather than realising nearly every army is getting something.

Bithcing about marines getting something doesn't change the fact, it just lowers the tone of the conversation.

I have a number of Marine Armies (Chaos and loyalist) so I am not so obessed with my own sub sub faction to the exclusion of all others.

Forge World is not banned except by the ignorant.

Agreed on forgeworld bans, but I just don't understand your viewpoint. You have multiple marine armies, you dont care for the rules or updates for them, you're not bothered by your own subfaction so why have multiple armies that you don't feel should get notable updates? As you say that's not at the exclusion of others and I'm really happy to see some eldar love at last for example.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Weird that tau players mix septs in lists, or orks mix kultures, but that's acceptable because it's all in 1 book and usually they're all painted with the same scheme.

Please note I have a chaos marine force, I don't have any of the half a dozen loyalist marine books, but I acknowledge that those factions and their fans still need to be given something.

Also it's not fair to toe everyone with meta chasing power gamers, there will be dedicated dark angel players out there who are suffering.

Chaos Marines are Marines - so of course have multiple books and plenty of models...

the Angels and Wolves could have been sorted with a pdf update to include the doctrines and CT applying to vehicles etc. But instead they have to have yet another codex or Supplement or more likely yet again domniate a campaign book - Dark Angels were featured in Chapter Approved again in White Dwarf rather than any other Marine Chapter or good forbid a non Marine - even AOS had a Fyreslayer Lodge rather than just Stormcast

And of course Dark Angels just had another release from Marineworld - sorry I meant Forgeworld. They might not have had a complete rules update but there are defienatly not suffering from the vast array of models created for them despite (in the words fo the feature on them) being a Codex compliant chapter.....just like hundreds of others.

I use 1 codex, fw is seemingly banned often according to this forum and having lots of models does not a good faction make.

Just keep being bitter rather than realising nearly every army is getting something.

Bithcing about marines getting something doesn't change the fact, it just lowers the tone of the conversation.

I have a number of Marine Armies (Chaos and loyalist) so I am not so obessed with my own sub sub faction to the exclusion of all others.

Forge World is not banned except by the ignorant.

Agreed on forgeworld bans, but I just don't understand your viewpoint. You have multiple marine armies, you dont care for the rules or updates for them, you're not bothered by your own subfaction so why have multiple armies that you don't feel should get notable updates? As you say that's not at the exclusion of others and I'm really happy to see some eldar love at last for example.

My viewpoint is this:

I collect pretty much everything but I am bored stupid of the constant Marine -Marine-Marine focus - I want lore, models and rules for other stuff in my collection - new stuff to buy for them. I wanted the marines books condensed not exploded and exploited further.

Yeah we are getting a few Eldar models but Its almost certainly going to be overshadowed by the bucket load of Marine stuff that they will drown in. Hell even the Sisters release is likely to be alongside the real marine release for Marines that month.

And Forgeworld these days is about 75% Marines