Bharring wrote:
Does this mean we'll see repeats of all the "CountsAs threads", but this time about how nobody is allowed to not like blue-and-toilet-seat Iron Hands being played as Imperial Fists?

 Xenomancers wrote:
It is a fact that it is mostly vs vehicals that this maters so...clearly you are the one being hysterical. Hysterically defending broken rules.

 Grimskul wrote:
Frankly Xenomancer, I thought the SM supplement books would be a dream come true for you given how many times you've bemoaned SM as the crappiest faction and now with the recent buffs they've been getting I figured you'd be doing a jig, but I guess that would take away from the whinging you like doing so now its just flipped to complaining about how ridiculous it is.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Frankly Xenomancer, I thought the SM supplement books would be a dream come true for you given how many times you've bemoaned SM as the crappiest faction and now with the recent buffs they've been getting I figured you'd be doing a jig, but I guess that would take away from the whinging you like doing so now its just flipped to complaining about how ridiculous it is.

It was the crappiest faction. Now there is no telling. They could still be the worst faction at the end of the edition if they keep coming out with increasingly more ludacris rules. Blanket +1 damage as a free bonus ability to an already really powerful bonus ability. You think the game will end up being more balanced with all these insane bonuses floating around?

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Frankly Xenomancer, I thought the SM supplement books would be a dream come true for you given how many times you've bemoaned SM as the crappiest faction and now with the recent buffs they've been getting I figured you'd be doing a jig, but I guess that would take away from the whinging you like doing so now its just flipped to complaining about how ridiculous it is.

It was the crappiest faction. Now there is no telling. They could still be the worst faction at the end of the edition if they keep coming out with increasingly more ludacris rules. Blanket +1 damage as a free bonus ability to an already really powerful bonus ability. You think the game will end up being more balanced with all these insane bonuses floating around?

Marines still are, as "faction" is always defined as "Factions that aren't worse than Marines".

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Frankly Xenomancer, I thought the SM supplement books would be a dream come true for you given how many times you've bemoaned SM as the crappiest faction and now with the recent buffs they've been getting I figured you'd be doing a jig, but I guess that would take away from the whinging you like doing so now its just flipped to complaining about how ridiculous it is.

It was the crappiest faction. Now there is no telling. They could still be the worst faction at the end of the edition if they keep coming out with increasingly more ludacris rules. Blanket +1 damage as a free bonus ability to an already really powerful bonus ability. You think the game will end up being more balanced with all these insane bonuses floating around?

Marines still are, as "faction" is always defined as "Factions that aren't worse than Marines".

Get out of here. This is basically a new edition and you know it.

 Xenomancers wrote:

It's not a personal attack. I said your actions were dumb - not you. You also didn't call me on anything. Nothing I said was inaccurate. You just clarified what I said better. Well done...they only get +1 damage against the units they need +1 damage against...So it's not broken...RIGHT.

 Grimskul wrote:
Frankly Xenomancer, I thought the SM supplement books would be a dream come true for you given how many times you've bemoaned SM as the crappiest faction and now with the recent buffs they've been getting I figured you'd be doing a jig, but I guess that would take away from the whinging you like doing so now its just flipped to complaining about how ridiculous it is.

 Ordana wrote:
+1 dmg on heavy weapons and your first thought is how will tanks deal with it?
I'm more thinking about all those 2 dmg Heavy Bolters, Assault cannons, Grav cannons, the gatling and Plasma on a Repulsor. ect chewing through Primaris.

Assuming this is true its a deathknell for a lot of heavy infantry that rely on multiple wounds to survive.

ERJAK wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Frankly Xenomancer, I thought the SM supplement books would be a dream come true for you given how many times you've bemoaned SM as the crappiest faction and now with the recent buffs they've been getting I figured you'd be doing a jig, but I guess that would take away from the whinging you like doing so now its just flipped to complaining about how ridiculous it is.

The problem is that he's still not winning games. Since the codex is good now he can't blame it on his faction anymore so he has to find SOMETHING to blame it all on and that something is other subfactions being better than his subfaction. Because it couldn't possibly be HIM that's the issue.

a_typical_hero wrote:
The value of this doctrine is highly dependent on your opponent's list, which makes it less likely to stay relevant as time goes on and the meta changes.

That said, currently it is a good doctrine as I think Imperial Fists will get some use out of it in most games.


To really determine the whole power level of IF we need to see the remaining rules first and it is too soon to cry wolf.

Compare it to Iron Hands, where the most complains are about the interaction between relics, special character and stratagems.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
+1 dmg on heavy weapons and your first thought is how will tanks deal with it?
I'm more thinking about all those 2 dmg Heavy Bolters, Assault cannons, Grav cannons, the gatling and Plasma on a Repulsor. ect chewing through Primaris.

Assuming this is true its a deathknell for a lot of heavy infantry that rely on multiple wounds to survive.

The extra damage only applies if the target is a Vehicle or a Building.

 Ordana wrote:

Mmm, sounds worse then the other marine chapters. To situational and tank's already are not all that viable with in a Meta where you want to be able to 1 round kill a Knight.

 Xenomancers wrote:
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Seriously...a razorback with TLAC is putting out the same damage as an avenger gatling cannon vs a vehicle.

 Xenomancers wrote:
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A 4 HB dread even gets double hits on 6's with each wound dealing 2 damage vs vehicles. This army also has blanket ignore cover so its already got a great buff vs infantry.

-Guardsman- wrote:
Some of you are not acting like the people Mr. Rogers knew you could be.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The Super Doctrines were a bad idea. The bloat alone of the number of Strats, Warlord Traits, and Relics is bad as is for the game, now we gotta deal with this crap outside of White Scars as, let's be honest, the game is already kinda decided by then.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The Super Doctrines were a bad idea. The bloat alone of the number of Strats, Warlord Traits, and Relics is bad as is for the game, now we gotta deal with this crap outside of White Scars as, let's be honest, the game is already kinda decided by then.

Yes. And they also ruined the interesting decision making the doctrine system would have otherwise offered.

 Ordana wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
+1 dmg on heavy weapons and your first thought is how will tanks deal with it?
I'm more thinking about all those 2 dmg Heavy Bolters, Assault cannons, Grav cannons, the gatling and Plasma on a Repulsor. ect chewing through Primaris.

Assuming this is true its a deathknell for a lot of heavy infantry that rely on multiple wounds to survive.

The extra damage only applies if the target is a Vehicle or a Building.

Heavy weapons get +1 dmg to vehicles.
Mmm, sounds worse then the other marine chapters. To situational and tank's already are not all that viable with in a Meta where you want to be able to 1 round kill a Knight.

 Orodhen wrote:
The super doctrine is kinda situational. Some competitive army lists use little to no vehicles (Orks, GSC, etc). As to buildings, I'm not sure why they even exist at this point, I haven't seen anyone use them in my years of playing.

I hope we don't have to slog through these posts each time a new marine rule gets revealed, it's already getting old.

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Amai wrote:
So you are suggesting me womens are acting in that way ?

How can you be sure ?

In my blog i have written an article about assumptions -> I wil highlight that people are mostly acting based on assumptions and are not aware of it. This is truth on most of the people even they would think themselve highly intellectual it doesnt matter they still fall for their assumptions.

Probably some of, or most of the scientists are like that too and thats one of the reason they are not advancing on their research -> because they act on assupmtions and fail to recognize that.

Someone can be highly advanced in mechanics, physics, mathematics or in some other intellectual way and still do not understand at the slightest how their own mind work even its the one they are using to do all that stuff. Might also be the other way around, that the people who are said to have "their feet on the ground" understand their mind the best and the most intelligent people understand it less than others as they are fixated on things that do not relate / outside of themselves. Like the rules in the 40k or the newest space marine faction.

I might be wrong of course but i think i am not.

And of course even understanding how ones mind work do not help if one cannot use it properly. When thinking people from that perspective, most of the people seem crazy. Especially the ones calling themselfs normal and are almost constantly part of some mass hpynosis / suggestion kind of thing that their surroundings impliment on them without being aware of it and the ones being aware of it at least are. There are probably only few people in the whole world and most of them surely in Asia who can use their mind even in a decent way and are not misled by it.

When thinking it this way the whole process seems utterly stupid:
-You read something from the internet, there is only text in your monitor and you make some imaginative assumption and act based on that thinking its the ultra marine truth (how can it be anything else ?)

Then you probably try to infect other people with our illusion and get them to think like that too, creating a miniscule mass hypnosis / suggestion kind of thing that is totally derived from reality. (at least from other than yours)

The basic concept is that nothing cannot be real in anywhere else than in your head. (as it is not in anywhere else)




I myself have no idea whatsoever why people write in the internet what they do. Is it a bad thing ?


(If you are refering to when i called women in this country michievous and liars -> That is truth in my head and a warning to people who associate with them. Keeping that in mind gives you an advantage as you know they try to cheat on you at some point or / use lies on a dailiy basis. Almost all of them are so good at it that you wont probably notice and they do not have any consciense about doing that so you cannot predict it on an instinct as it is normal for them and you take it as so. Normally you can notice that something is off if the person feels bad about lying to you. But not if the person that is lying thinks it is normal and thats the way its supposed to be. Actually the whole social concept where m from is based on lies and if you do not use lies you will get harshly punished by society for it. There are also only few people i know that do not use lies, and one of them is a woman at least. Other are Jehovas Witneses. They have a code they follow that prohibts lying but they form a society that lives outside the normal society and follow their own rules, such as not to lie but in normal society its entirely ok and part of normal communication. Maybe it would be truthful to say that men lie too but woman are better in it and do it more often. If you say otherwise, i am not believing you and think you do not know what you are talking about. But still, the most outrageous and successive liars are probably still men, as it is in most cases in the world, that the worlds best are almost always men in all things. That is also a fact. Men are also more violent physically, and woman are often more violent mentally it all comes to how they are physically different and women have developed lying as part of their survival skills. Maybe the whole concept of "being best" is a masculine thing as most of the thing woman are best on are something there are not competitions to be best of and maybe its also more important for males to be "better" when they compete for females. It all comes down to pretty basic and primitive stuff.)

BTW i also said that men in here are shy and pathetic but i wont see you saying i hate men. I take it that women have supressed you to defend them on their behalf even there is nothing to defend -> As in attack anyone who compromises their power or superiority. What that makes you ? a pawn perhaps ?

Are... are you ok?