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Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

1) It applies to all models and all attacks made by those models.

2) The stratagem explains in full how it interacts with units that have the Codex Discipline Trait and those that do not. If you don't have the trait it costs more CP to use it.

3) If your Warlord is an Ultramarines Warlord (including successor chapters) then you must use the Ultramarines Tactical Objectives in place of the default 11-16 ones. RaW the ones in the codex (as opposed to the supplement) can't be used by any chapter that has had its supplement released (GW logic at its finest).

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

1) It applies to all models and all attacks made by those models.

2) The stratagem explains in full how it interacts with units that have the Codex Discipline Trait and those that do not. If you don't have the trait it costs more CP to use it.

3) If your Warlord is an Ultramarines Warlord (including successor chapters) then you must use the Ultramarines Tactical Objectives in place of the default 11-16 ones. RaW the ones in the codex (as opposed to the supplement) can't be used by any chapter that has had its supplement released (GW logic at its finest).

Perfect, thanks !
I guess it's if you don't use any supplement (I already played once like this and I could see myself playing again without any supplement if my opponents armies are too weaks).

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

The way I read it - if you have the ultramarine chapter tactic - it allows you to fallback shoot and charge and ignore the -1. If you don't - it gives you the ultramarines tactic.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

The way I read it - if you have the ultramarine chapter tactic - it allows you to fallback shoot and charge and ignore the -1. If you don't - it gives you the ultramarines tactic.

No, that isn't what the stratagem does. The stratagem gives you a blanket ability to shoot and charge with zero penalty. If you already have the Ultramarines Tactic, it is half price because it's only giving you half the buff (+1 to hit and able to charge).

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

The way I read it - if you have the ultramarine chapter tactic - it allows you to fallback shoot and charge and ignore the -1. If you don't - it gives you the ultramarines tactic.

No, that isn't what the stratagem does. The stratagem gives you a blanket ability to shoot and charge with zero penalty. If you already have the Ultramarines Tactic, it is half price because it's only giving you half the buff (+1 to hit and able to charge).

I see. Thanks for clarifying.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Hi guys, so I have a few questions here, gonna be pretty easy for you.
I have ofc the French edition so the names of the strategems may be a bit different but ...
So the Sons of Guilliman strategem, does it work for one model or the full squad ?
The retreat and shoot strategem, does it work even if you don't have the "disengage and shoot at -1" CT ? That would explain why it costs more for successors, as it gives more. And finally, in a game of Maelstrom of war, do I have to use UM tactical objective ? They replace the same objective as the Space Marines Tactical Objectives but the SM ones are MUCH BETTER and I meet the requirements for both...

The way I read it - if you have the ultramarine chapter tactic - it allows you to fallback shoot and charge and ignore the -1. If you don't - it gives you the ultramarines tactic.

No, that isn't what the stratagem does. The stratagem gives you a blanket ability to shoot and charge with zero penalty. If you already have the Ultramarines Tactic, it is half price because it's only giving you half the buff (+1 to hit and able to charge).

That's how I read it, it's seems more powerful for successors but that would explain why it's more expensive.

Sucessor assault cents are looking pretty good IMO. +3 range flamers and bolters. Can fall back shoot and charge and have a 1+ save in the open.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sucessor assault cents are looking pretty good IMO. +3 range flamers and bolters. Can fall back shoot and charge and have a 1+ save in the open.

Pet Peeve: a 2+ on a D6+1 is not the same as a 1+. An actual 1+ save gives you an effective 2+ invulnerable save due to GW's silly FAQ capping negative modifiers to 1.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sucessor assault cents are looking pretty good IMO. +3 range flamers and bolters. Can fall back shoot and charge and have a 1+ save in the open.

Pet Peeve: a 2+ on a D6+1 is not the same as a 1+. An actual 1+ save gives you an effective 2+ invulnerable save due to GW's silly FAQ capping negative modifiers to 1.

Well 2+ in cover is what I mean.

So are we sure about the tactical objective that we have to use the ones of the supplements ? Because my Warlord qualifies for both (he is an Ultramarine yes but he is a Space Marine too).
Specific trumps generic IIRC but both are specific ( a codex and a "supplement")
Sticking to raw there.

 godardc wrote:
So are we sure about the tactical objective that we have to use the ones of the supplements ? Because my Warlord qualifies for both (he is an Ultramarine yes but he is a Space Marine too).
Specific trumps generic IIRC but both are specific ( a codex and a "supplement")
Sticking to raw there.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/781423.page

In short, it doesn't matter overly much if you use the good Maelstrom Rules anyway.

So WD has new Maelstrom rules ? Which issue, this month or a previous one ?
This game is a mess tbh haha

nevermind, I found it
Still it looks like a hot mess with no mission and no way to use the Maelstrom mission with the June WD rules.

 godardc wrote:
So are we sure about the tactical objective that we have to use the ones of the supplements ? Because my Warlord qualifies for both (he is an Ultramarine yes but he is a Space Marine too).
Specific trumps generic IIRC but both are specific ( a codex and a "supplement")
Sticking to raw there.

The codex says you (must) replace your objectives with the Space Marine ones. The supplement says you (must) replace your objectives with Ultramarine ones. RAW, you must replace them with both, which is impossible. The rules don't work so you have to figure out a house rule with your opponent.

Okay another thing I'm unsure about: the book of malcador. If my librarian has it, he can choose his power from the Space Marine list and the Ultramarine one ?
Can you use a hellfury bolt twice if you use it on a devastator marine with a cherub ? And thus shooting twice at 2+ with this bolt ?

+ The interaction between cherubs and the hellfire bolts are no longer in the Faq ?