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Hi Dakka hive mind

I need your thoughts.

While there is dearth of space marine heads, shoulders, guns and what not..and an astounding amount of swaps for IG...there seems to be no option eldar and dark eldar head or torso swaps. Specifically the elusive "attractive female head" that GW seem so reluctant to release. Also female torso's for both guardians and wyches are painful and weird and i want my DE bikini top featured so heavily in the art (I know who I am)

So, I went onto the artstations and did some snooping and asking and I can get 12 distinct female heads with great hair (6 eldar, 6 dark eldar) and 6 torsos (3 for each) for like designed for about 800.

I have a 3-d resin printer and if I sold the heads at 10$ for 12 and the torso's at 10$ for 6...i would only need 80 people to actually buy this from me off of etsy or ebay to break even which is all I'm really wanting to do. These heads would be keyed to work with any ball and socket model such as guardians or wyches. The torsos would have to be locked to eldar or DE cause they have different arm connections.

So...Would you..or someone you know in you local club be into something like this? Tell me why you think this a good plan or a bad one. Provide feedback so I can make sure I have an answer for all possibilities

Thanks
Ray

Sorry.....attractive pieces of plastic?

I’m not one to kink shame....but, attractive pieces of plastic?

Hey ..raging heroes made 3 million off there KS...Some people want a good looking army.

What kind of a look are you trying to find? If you want "fierce" then fantasy elves from AoS or other games could work. If you are looking for traditionally "pretty" then its going to be a lot harder since minis tend to have a serious case of RBF. For boobplate armor or simply skimpy attire then "alternate slaanesh bits" is probably going to push you in the right direction. Raging Heroes, WGE, and Brother Vinni all come to mind for cheesecake minis. Don't forget that you are going to have to consider shipping costs in your return on investment as well.

Edit: WGE= War Game Exclusive since Dakka didn't have the abbreviation

RBF?

the Eldar heads would be what you would expect. Regal, austere, those little plates right under the cheek that you see in the art. Looking more like the Dark elf sorceress or witch elf head but made to be used with gw eldar bodies

Dark Eldar would be more sinister.looking.

Eldar torsos I'm having made would less cheesecakey the DE wych ones more so. (still spikes and straps and all that)

Raging heroes and WGE do fulfill the niche somewhat..but you cant use them in a gw store and some people want to use their official gw minis and this would allow them to do so.

I would be interested.

Manufaktura makes some elf ladies. There was talk about how they may make just heads in this style available. The thread is nsfw but here is the link.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/240/707514.page

Also here are 2 pics that show what the heads look like.

Nah, I like the alien angularity that the GW DE sculpts have. It makes them look more distinct from humans than most elf art you see where their ears are the second-largest deviation from humanity that they have (And the first largest is their gravity defying Z-cup breasts).

To answer the original question - i would take you up on that.

the_scotsman wrote:
Nah, I like the alien angularity that the GW DE sculpts have. It makes them look more distinct from humans than most elf art you see where their ears are the second-largest deviation from humanity that they have (And the first largest is their gravity defying Z-cup breasts).

Ah, but you don't realize that those breasts are so hefty because that's where they contain their haughty battle prowess, which is in sharp contrast to humans bearing the same load who suffer back problems amongst other things. Clearly elf bubbies are the source of their magic!

Oh, come on. Everyone knows that none of the third party bits manufacturers both with xenos armies because there's no player base to produce a demand.

I think these would be the main potential issues:
1. The possibility that you spend $800 on the designs and they turn out to be not at all what anyone else wanted.
2. Part clean up.
3. Quality and material concerns for the 3D print resin.

But, there's also the big downer: If you spend $800 on designs for those parts, reasonably speaking you're going to spend $400 to $800 trying to make your money back, if you assign a value to your own time and work.

 solkan wrote:
Oh, come on. Everyone knows that none of the third party bits manufacturers both with xenos armies because there's no player base to produce a demand.

I think these would be the main potential issues:
1. The possibility that you spend $800 on the designs and they turn out to be not at all what anyone else wanted.
2. Part clean up.
3. Quality and material concerns for the 3D print resin.

But, there's also the big downer: If you spend $800 on designs for those parts, reasonably speaking you're going to spend $400 to $800 trying to make your money back, if you assign a value to your own time and work.

I thought that first comment was serious...that made me laugh

Regarding the other 3 All super good points. Let me break it down to see if I'm comfortable with my thoughts on them

1: That is...a concern. And sadly..one I cant do anything about. I have to accept the risk that his may be something i do for myself and end up eating the cost. However..super valuable life lesson? eh?..no? Im hoping that the succes or raging heros means that..there is s...SOME market out there for this.
2: Part clean up should be easy. print it soak in alcohol it and clip some sprues before mailing it out.
3: I'm already investing in the 3d printer and the resin for my normal mini addiction..so those costs will be negligible
4: I am assuming I work for free on this. Ultimately I have enough free time that this is just hobby time. What I'm hoping is that I can at least make enough to cover my actual cash output. Anything extra would be a super nice bonus but I'm not quitting my job just yet.

Thanks for the feeback though..that's what I'm looking for is angles that I have not thought about,


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 Smokestack wrote:
I would be interested.

Manufaktura makes some elf ladies. There was talk about how they may make just heads in this style available. The thread is nsfw but here is the link.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/240/707514.page

Also here are 2 pics that show what the heads look like.

I remember these..and they went silent on the issue. which is why I'm sorta contemplating picking up the banner ..since that thread seemed to have some interest there.

Well I have decided on a sculptor and decided to go all in on this project. Shes a d sculptor form a pretty successful proxy company
This is the first stuff she sent me.





Its a Dark Eldar head. Ive requested that she make the piece that holds her pony tail in place sharper and more "evil" and give the face a more sadistic look. But for the initial showing I'm pretty impressed.

Gimme your thoughts on what more i can do to make this a successful product you guys might be interested in throwing 10 dollars at.

Thanks,
Ray

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sorry.....attractive pieces of plastic?

I’m not one to kink shame....but, attractive pieces of plastic?

That's like 10% of Japan's economy, isn't it?

Its not bad - maybe less/smaller lips? Would you do a "not evil" version for the Eldar maybe?

petrov27 wrote:
Its not bad - maybe less/smaller lips? Would you do a "not evil" version for the Eldar maybe?

Yeah, there would be 6 evil heads and 6 austere proud warrior heads (5 female 1 male for each race)

So you can equip either of your space elf armies

Or... you could just put a little blob of GS in the neck socket and use some of the more conventionally-attractive Daemonette heads painted up as Craftworlders.

And use the snarly ones for Drukhari.

Deamonette heads are..pretty alien looking with their lack of noses and super heavy browridge. That would be a hard sell for me.

Your call, obviously, but personally I've always thought that Daemonettes deliberately look a bit 'elfy'. As you can see, their faces aren't all the same, that one doesn't have a heavy brow and does have a nose.

Also has fabulous hair.



Another nose-job.

 rayphoton wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Its not bad - maybe less/smaller lips? Would you do a "not evil" version for the Eldar maybe?

Yeah, there would be 6 evil heads and 6 austere proud warrior heads (5 female 1 male for each race)

So you can equip either of your space elf armies

Sounds good to me. On the "good" side a head or two that had the Howling Banshee amplifiers(?) so they could be used with the new plastics might be an idea...

I did have a plan to have one or 2 of the heads with the "jaw piece" that appears in some of the art.

The test head looks great, I think you need the oversized features to make them stand out in 28mm. I would try to keep the heads neutral enough to work as borh eldar and DE to make the set good value for either side

The test looks great to me. I would be interested at 10$, but as others have said, I want to buy for one army or the other, not both. If you packaged them that way, I do think you would get more buyers. Paying for models I will probably not use turns me off.

 rayphoton wrote:

So...Would you..or someone you know in you local club be into something like this? Tell me why you think this a good plan or a bad one. Provide feedback so I can make sure I have an answer for all possibilities

I would be interested in the heads.
You are right that there are no proper beautiful heads available for conversions.

However, I would like to have heads for humans as well, and I would like heads with longer hair or "loose" hair. So, with the same face you have sculpted righ now, an idea for making them more generic (so valid for human, elf or dark elf) is to make them long haired without pony-tail. So the hair can cover the ears and one cannot tell if its elf or human.

 rayphoton wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
Its not bad - maybe less/smaller lips? Would you do a "not evil" version for the Eldar maybe?

Yeah, there would be 6 evil heads and 6 austere proud warrior heads (5 female 1 male for each race)

So you can equip either of your space elf armies

I might be interested at 10-15 dollars dependent on the shipping costs.

I like your initial design quite a bit, but I think the lips are too big for the chin.

As others have mentioned. I think you should try to make both the evil and the good line generic enough to be used in the same army, but I would highly advice against making them less elf'ish in order to pass as human. Don't delude your product in order to try and please every possible customer. It won't work :-)

 Warpspy wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:

So...Would you..or someone you know in you local club be into something like this? Tell me why you think this a good plan or a bad one. Provide feedback so I can make sure I have an answer for all possibilities

I would be interested in the heads.
You are right that there are no proper beautiful heads available for conversions.

However, I would like to have heads for humans as well, and I would like heads with longer hair or "loose" hair. So, with the same face you have sculpted righ now, an idea for making them more generic (so valid for human, elf or dark elf) is to make them long haired without pony-tail. So the hair can cover the ears and one cannot tell if its elf or human.

Shave the ears down ever-so-slightly and you have a conventionally-attractive 28mm female human.

Hello all,

My Digital Sculptor lady person has provided me with head #2!







I have ideas for the 3rd and 4th head..and I'm having a Good looking evil DE head made..but I'm not sure what to do for the 5th female DE head
Suggestions?

To Mix it up I'm having her make one male head for each Race

This is her early design for the sexy male DE








I'll be making some changes. but comment welcome

I think these are all awesome so far! Can't wait to see what else you come back with (and especially for the more evil female looks )
You can still definitely count me in for buying some, of both varieties.

Here are the Last of the Dark Eldar heads before we move on to Eldar torso and Heads. On the last one do you guys prefer a collar or not?











Ray

I think the collar works well and add some clothing/tech to the head which otherwise is quite plain in terms of sci-fi adornment. Indeed if you're going for ear-rings and hair thingies you might consider something like an eye scope or metallic connections around the chin (which seems popular with eldar designs).

The neck without a ruff looks rather overly long, however this might just be a product of leaving room for the ball to go into the body itself. Sometimes its hard to judge without seeing the head in the torso together.


The only risk with the neck cloth/metal is ensuring a smooth/flush connection of it to the torso.


Eg if you look at the neck on this art its a simple corded design like the under garment/armour of the body suit https://warhammerart.com/shop/warhammer-40000/alien-xenos/dire-avenger/

Meanwhile for face adornments there's masks like https://warhammerart.com/shop/warhammer-40000/alien-xenos/amallyn-shadowguide-asuryani-ranger/

Chin cheek attachments like https://40k.gallery/view/dim-light/

And a slightly more ornate one that wraps around and has bits up behind the head too https://40k.gallery/view/eldar-farseer-commission/