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tldr: along with their re-release apparently being extremely sup-par and below expectations, apparently Blizzard is claiming ownership of any and all mods, maps, and other custom anything played on the new Warcraft 3: Reforged.

I'm not surprised by this greedy and frankly obnoxious corporate behavior, but a lot of other people are, and along with just how lazy the remaster is, it's caused their reviews to tank to catastrophically low levels.

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That is the most terrifying paragraph in a user agreement I've ever read. Some next level corporate dystopia language in there for sure.
   
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I would not be surprised to see the modding community stick with the original WC3, or even use pirated copies to avoid signing that user agreement (not sure that would even work?).

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 LunarSol wrote:
That is the most terrifying paragraph in a user agreement I've ever read. Some next level corporate dystopia language in there for sure.


Fun fact they are also seemingly banning people that help people get refunds.

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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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It's not Blizzard anymore. It's Activision-Blizzard, corporate juggernaught.

   
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Yeah, the Blizzard of yesteryear died long ago. Activision has just been parading its marionette of a corpse long enough that the stank rot of decay has finally made the facade clear for most people that Blizz is truly dead. They did my boy WC3 dirty. Such a complete cop-out and cash grab for nostalgia. How do you remaster something and LOSE so much features, not to mention actively antagonize people for playing your game? Can't have another DoTA, no siree bob.

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That's probably what htey were afraid of. Another DotA-- a spinoff game they didn't personally own.

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It's worse than just that. They merged Reforged and Classic into the same client and it's caused some big problems. People's stats got wiped, and graphics options such as shadows got disabled unless you buy Reforged. Profiles and ladder are gone as well. Weird to see a game retroactively get tarnished like this.

Blizzard is pretty much dead to me at this point. I liked Classic WoW but I cancelled my subscription because I don't want to support this company. I was interested in OW2 but now I'm not going to buy it. Vote with your wallet and all that.
   
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Well... that's almost impressively disastrous. So they got that going on for them

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This entire endeavor has been an utter disaster for Blizzard, and I just can't help but feel giddy about it.

I put Blizzard products in the same bin as EA (the gak heap that I don't pay for) earlier this year when the HK thing happened. I figured "fat chance of that mattering" because most people either won't care or will stop caring when Reforged comes out.

So yeah, I've been darkly amused watching this train wreck.

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Eh. If its bad remake, that's too bad.

I hope they don't decide that the market doesn't exist and cancel projects just because they screwed this up. They have a bad habit of killing things off that would have been more interesting than what they put out.

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Is grabbing ownership of mods even legally enforceable? I know the European Union did some work to make some of the more egregiously stupid EULAs not enforceable in court because they are so unreasonable. I wonder if it would stand up to a challenge in the EU? Given that it is the biggest, richest market in the world what they decide matters, and other backwater markets have to follow their lead on this stuff pretty often.

   
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I'm not sure. I know that companies which produce game engines can stop you from using their engine to profit from the sale of a game made with their engine, but far as I know they never make claim to own the copyright of your produced content. Considering that Blizzard isn't actually hiring you to work for them I'd wager it might not even stand up in court if challenged.

Now they'd be within their rights to stop you selling your creation using their engine and code. So you couldn't take your mod and copy-paste all the code and sell it as your own game. You'd have to build your own engine to run it on etc... But otherwise I can't see that Blizzard can actually legally take control over your modded content.

The only bit they can rightly enforce is restrictions on 3rd party copyright content being used in mods on their platform; that's annoying but fair and legally enforceable.


They can tell you what you can do with their side of the coin, but they can't take your side. At least its not my impression that they can; or that it woudl stand up in court.





If you could do that I'd have bet other companies would have jumped on it a lot sooner- Bedethsa would have done it already if they could just sweepingly say "hey you made a mod for our game now we own it".

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whilst the gak-klaxons of the intertubes ongoing dog piling is getting timesome, yes we get it. its rubbish. just ignore it, but that's a rather fantastic way of getting no mods made ever

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
whilst the gak-klaxons of the intertubes ongoing dog piling is getting timesome
The funny part is, I already think the 'craft series is mediocre-at-best and always was. So I was never gonna buy a remaster of an ancient game that I didn't think was good enough to deserve a remaster anyway.

But them attempting to grab ownership of any and all custom maps and mods? That IS newsworthy.

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I am properly nostalgic about Warcraft 3, as it was one of the games "in rotation" for playing with my friends in University along with Diablo 2 and Counterstrike.

I also really enjoy the campaigns. Never got into World of Warcraft.

So it is pretty sad that they have disabled the original launcher and this remaster is all that is available. No doubt if I want to find the original out there I can though.

   
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While I'm perfectly happy with regular old Warcraft 3 I was kind of hoping that Reforged would be a nice update, and maybe the gateway to Warcraft 4.

Lol, nope! Not after everything I've seen. Man I had already planned on taking a break from WoW Classic anyway as my sub expires at the end of the month. Now I'm not sure if I wanna come back after this. Its clear they had a vision to actually remake the game with proper cutscenes and all. Somewhere down the line its clear the scope of the project got cut to just a basic re-skin, and I'm not dropping 40 bucks on a re-skin.

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Well with this rather unfavorable news I do not intent to return to Warcraft 3, it seems Blizzard will have to make due without me as a customer. This has to be amongst the top things when it co mes to rather shady things done by companies in the gaming world
   
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A last ditch attempt at squeezing as much $$ as possible out of existing IP and riding the corpse of blizzard into the ground hoovering up any nostalgia good will $$ before burying it in the vaults of "great things that once were but got destroyed by corporate greed"

The gaming industry has just gone completely down the drain....

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


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I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:

The gaming industry has just gone completely down the drain....


I'm pretty happy in my little bubble of Switch games and indie games on the Switch
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Argive wrote:

The gaming industry has just gone completely down the drain....


I'm pretty happy in my little bubble of Switch games and indie games on the Switch


Do yourself a favour and never believe that nintendo is better in regards to greed then the other bunch.

Why? Have you Seen their mobile mariokart?

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Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Why? Have you Seen their mobile mariokart?


Yup, I'm aware. It's also a platform actively trying to take the marketshare that's kept them profitable for years and don't really expect it to be a place where their best foot is forward. Hence the Switch being a bubble. A safe, warm, little bubble.
   
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 Argive wrote:
The gaming industry has just gone completely down the drain....

The industry is so big that you can find absolutely bonkers awesome game with decent monetization scheme (like old, trusted "You pay for the game and then you can play the game") nonetheless, and will for the foreseeable future.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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Yeah, Activision, Ubisoft, EA, etc are not "the gaming industry". If you want to group them, the much-mocked "AAA Games Industry" label might work. Because "AAA games" were just an advertising spiel anyway.

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Yep, love me some Ludosity, Devolver, Klei, Capy, ...
(Devolver is the odd one out here because they aren't developers, they are a publisher, but they have a top-notch image and published tons of awesome and just different games, and I heard devs that work with them are quite satisfied with the result!)

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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Argive wrote:
The gaming industry has just gone completely down the drain....

The industry is so big that you can find absolutely bonkers awesome game with decent monetization scheme (like old, trusted "You pay for the game and then you can play the game") nonetheless, and will for the foreseeable future.


The fact you said you "can find" these sugest they are not common and have to go look .

Look im not saying there are no decent games or developers in the industry. But by large the "mainstream" industry so i guess the household juggernaut AAAs, are creatively bankrupt. And thats whats getting published. I havent bought a new game for my ps4 since perhaps dark souls 3..

If you are on PC things are slightly better for sure.
But I still stand by what I said. Of course people are welcome to have other opinions.

This of course does not mean im not going to pick up doom eternal and FF7. Spoiler me these and ill cut you...

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Argive wrote:
The fact you said you "can find" these sugest they are not common and have to go look .

Yes.

 Argive wrote:
But by large the "mainstream" industry so i guess the household juggernaut AAAs, are creatively bankrupt.

Don't go mainstream if mainstream doesn't do it for you! I mean, that's just a call to widen your horizons. Not saying there aren't good mainstream games, I liked the Tomb Raider reboot and DOOM Eternal seems quite nice indeed. Just saying that "looking", as we collectively put it, can often be very worth it!

 Argive wrote:
If you are on PC things are slightly better for sure.

That's a very good point that might very well explain why my perspective is more optimistic than yours.
I have no idea what kind of things get published for the PS4 and if you can find some of the lesser known gems that exists on PC.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Argive wrote:

This of course does not mean im not going to pick up doom eternal and FF7. Spoiler me these and ill cut you...


One of these things seems completely immune to spoilers. The other seems impossible to not have already had spoiled...
   
 
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