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DA apparently have lots of old weaponry stored int he rock hence their extra plasma weapons and supply of various terminator armour. They also are supposed to be keeping some STCs secret hence their unique raven wing vehicles.

On the basis that all of their unique stuff would have to be replaced at some point a sit would be damaged during conflict, who is building and maintaining it. They couldn’t get the AM in because they would want the STCs or would have lost the knowledge to do so.

In general terms, all Chapters are capable of producing small quantities of equipment on their own - their Techmarines are trained on Mars and they have well-equipped workshops. They import bulk quantities from Forge Worlds, or things they cannot manufacture themselves - like spaceships.

The Dark Angels (and Blood Angels) annoy the Adeptus Mechanicus by not handing over their STCs, but they are oath-bound to supply them so do so reluctantly. However the Mechanicus don't give them everything, which is why they're lacking Centurion Warsuits and other equipment (but that might be a fan theory).

The DA don’t reluctantly hand over anything

It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

beast_gts wrote:
It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

True, but the key thing is that some wargear that's unique to the Dark Angels must either be from some archeotech cache, or manufactured "in house" by techmarines of the armoury.

locarno24 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

True, but the key thing is that some wargear that's unique to the Dark Angels must either be from some archeotech cache, or manufactured "in house" by techmarines of the armoury.

Yeah or someone else. If they have a selection of STCs available anyone should be able to make it, that’s the point of STCs

As said above, most things are provided by the AdMech (bolters, power armour, generic stuff, really).

The DA specific stuff, the priceless relics (that don't get used all that often!) are maintained by their own personnel.

Secret Jokaero program?

For those who don't know them, Jokaero are hyper-intelligent, mechanical savants but culturally/socially regressed orangutans. 40k is a weird place.

mrFickle wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

True, but the key thing is that some wargear that's unique to the Dark Angels must either be from some archeotech cache, or manufactured "in house" by techmarines of the armoury.

Yeah or someone else. If they have a selection of STCs available anyone should be able to make it, that’s the point of STCs

Not if theyre the only ones with the stcs

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Secret Jokaero program?

For those who don't know them, Jokaero are hyper-intelligent, mechanical savants but culturally/socially regressed orangutans. 40k is a weird place.

I like this idea for my army


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123ply wrote:

mrFickle wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

True, but the key thing is that some wargear that's unique to the Dark Angels must either be from some archeotech cache, or manufactured "in house" by techmarines of the armoury.

Yeah or someone else. If they have a selection of STCs available anyone should be able to make it, that’s the point of STCs

Not if theyre the only ones with the stcs

I mean anyone should be capable so the DA should be able to get their human serfs on it

mrFickle wrote:

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Secret Jokaero program?

For those who don't know them, Jokaero are hyper-intelligent, mechanical savants but culturally/socially regressed orangutans. 40k is a weird place.

I like this idea for my army


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123ply wrote:

mrFickle wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

True, but the key thing is that some wargear that's unique to the Dark Angels must either be from some archeotech cache, or manufactured "in house" by techmarines of the armoury.

Yeah or someone else. If they have a selection of STCs available anyone should be able to make it, that’s the point of STCs

Not if theyre the only ones with the stcs

I mean anyone should be capable so the DA should be able to get their human serfs on it

Probably not. They may have STC plans for - say - the Jetbike. That's not the same as having an STC machine that churns them out automatically.
Building them to plans requires a suitably skilled engineer - i.e. a forge-trained techmarine.

Santa’s elves The Watchers in the Dark.

/s

But it still couldn’t be the Mechanicum because they would go crazy for a new STC, it would 100% be a closely guarded secrets

locarno24 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
It's the Mechanicus who are oath-bound to supply them.

True, but the key thing is that some wargear that's unique to the Dark Angels must either be from some archeotech cache, or manufactured "in house" by techmarines of the armoury.

Can also depend entirely upon which Forgeworld (they're also not known for being particularly sharey), and under what agreement.

That the Dark Angels of all the Chapters have the most ancient toys is beyond dispute. Being the First Legion, they started off with the cream of the crop. And, having largely sat out The Heresy (they of course played a roll, but compared to other Legions, a minor one) they retained more once it was all over. And if their Fortress Monastery can literally withstand it's former planet going boom? Safe to say said toys stored there similarly survived.

It could be that they've other, far more sinister things locked away - and they trade access to a specific FW for certain favours?

It's also worth noting that other chapters are genuinely confused about how we always seem to have termi armour available. And not just the current mark, but cataprachtii too.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It could be that they've other, far more sinister things locked away - and they trade access to a specific FW for certain favours?

Well, they forgot they had the Tuchulcha stashed away...

It's possible they've still got an intact pre-Heresy manufacturing plant somewhere inside The Rock, and their Master of the Forges' (Master of the Rock) are plugged directly into The Rock so don't actually die so there's no loss of technical knowledge over the millennia.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Secret Jokaero program?

For those who don't know them, Jokaero are hyper-intelligent, mechanical savants but culturally/socially regressed orangutans. 40k is a weird place.

And.....

.dust has zombies, combat gorillas, japanese ninjas and school girls *cough* naval cadets*cough*
.infinity has human animal hybrids
.heavy gear has blue super soldiers
.WM has a faction that looks like it is straight out of nightmare before christmas with pumpkin men and such

Lets face it gaming has loads of weirdness we all love.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Santa’s elves The Watchers in the Dark.

/s

Watchers in the Dark = Jokaero in robes

beast_gts wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Santa’s elves The Watchers in the Dark.

/s

Watchers in the Dark = Jokaero in robes

Whatever watcher's are they are chaos born.

The fact a watcher made a tzeentch changeling run for the hills is concerning.

I would imagine that they :

Secretly put stuff in secret stasis so it does not degrade
Secretly have Techmarines maintain them using secret crusade era secret schematics
Secretly recruit Cawl style radical-techpriests/ reverse-enginseers who are secretly not averse to innovation
Secretly Blood Raven that stuff from xenos or other chapters

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Santa’s elves The Watchers in the Dark.

/s

Watchers in the Dark = Jokaero in robes

Whatever watcher's are they are chaos born.

The fact a watcher made a tzeentch changeling run for the hills is concerning.

What story is this in?

mrFickle wrote:

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Santa’s elves The Watchers in the Dark.

/s

Watchers in the Dark = Jokaero in robes

Whatever watcher's are they are chaos born.

The fact a watcher made a tzeentch changeling run for the hills is concerning.

What story is this in?

It's the story where Luther escapes the rock. It begins with Grey Knights visiting the Rock on a totally surprise inspection. The GK goes to the mofficer who greet's him "everything okay here? Need any help" The DA officer replies "yeha why you ask?" To which the GK responds "because thats a deamon over there" and points at an astartes.

All of a sudden a bunch of mairnes reveal themselves to secretly be changelings and battle ensues. Luther escapes because a changeling makes their way to under the rock and flips the switch. Along the way comes across a watcher, the watchers stares intensely. The changeling runs away scared.

Then later on after the battle and everyone departs and Dark Angels forces are depleted someone Bobby G turns up at the rock. Azraels debates for a moment wondering if Bobby G is here to exterminate the Dark Angels because secrets and thinks should he strike first? He decides against it, bobby G lands none the wiser and gives the DA some primaris.

I always figured Watchers were like Chaotic Good.... the Dark Spirit of Caliban or something wishy washy like that. Circles within circles. Layers. Like an onion.

Or like an ogre!

I've always been of the opinion that so much of their stuff is Great Crusade era supplies that have been stashed in The Rock.
The Rock is monstrous. Bigger then any class of Imperial Warship, barring possibly the Phalanx. There's bound to be hangers, storage bays, armouries and foundries dotted all over the place. Add in 10,000 years of neglect and forgetfulness and other, higher priorities such as keeping the Imperium from collapsing, and some will inevitably get lost. So every now and again, HQ sends a techmarine off on a expedition of discovery down in to the bowels and lo and behold, there's another 30 suits of terminator armour and legion era Fellblade. Or hey! good news everyone, here's a companies worth of plasma guns.
I'd be surprised too if they didn't have the capabilities and the knowledge to be able to provide upkeep on all but the most esoteric of wargear. The Dark Talon Rift-cannons seem common enough. And it's well known that they have no shortage of plasma weapons. I'd say they'd be able to compete with all but Mars and Ryza in that regard.
Corvex is an interesting one though. It puts forth an interesting conundrum. Do the DA techmarines have the knowledge to repair/produce jetbikes, or do they infact have a reasonable stock of them lying about.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Secret Jokaero program?

For those who don't know them, Jokaero are hyper-intelligent, mechanical savants but culturally/socially regressed orangutans. 40k is a weird place.

Not bloody likely. The Dark Angels are frightfully xenophobic. Case in point, in Pandorax, a Catchan tank crew deliberately hide a Jokaero from Azrael because they know he'll execute it if he sees it. If remember correctly, it's an Inquisitionally sanctioned Jokaero too.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Santa’s elves The Watchers in the Dark.

/s

Watchers in the Dark = Jokaero in robes

Whatever watcher's are they are chaos born.

The fact a watcher made a tzeentch changeling run for the hills is concerning.

Watchers as servants of Malal, perhaps?

There's no guarantee that they are born of Chaos - it could just mean there's a lot of power in a small package.

Why should DA hand over anything when Mechanicus doesn't supply them with their "latest" tech?

 skchsan wrote:
Why should DA hand over anything when Mechanicus doesn't supply them with their "latest" tech?

Because it's a two-way agreement - the Imperium gives the AdMech any STCs or lost tech it finds, and the AdMech builds the stuff for the Imperium. The AdMech simply can't stop supplying the DA, but they can choose to only supply certain things.

(This agreement even applies to the slightly dodgy but still loyal Marine chapters - the Carcharodons call it 'Grey Tithes', when they acquire Archaeotech and trade it with the AdMech for new weapons and equipment)

But if the ad mech had access to the DA STCs then they would supply that tech to other customers, jet bikes etc

if they have access to the STC their tech marines should be more then capable of producing it themselves in small numbers,