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2020/03/16 20:25:13
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Probably not the Tau, since they're practically psychic blanks and would not easily make a connection with the Dark Gods.
The Drukhari feed Slaanesh through their sadistic and hedonistic ways, but they still view her as the Great Enemy, and they do not worship her so much as they try to survive/placate her. Are there any known cases of members of the Eldar race outright worshipping and serving the Dark Gods, in hopes of attaining daemonhood and hopefully avoiding their doom? (Let's assume here that Khaine worship is not the same as Khorne worship, since I am not aware of Khaine "promoting" his most faithful followers to daemon princes.)
And what of the non-playable sentient races?
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Cadians, Sisters of Battle (Argent Shroud), Drukhari (Obsidian Rose)
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2020/03/16 20:30:12
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Yup. There are Chaos Eldar. They dwell on the crone worlds in the EoT. There are Chaos Orks, though they tend to die out quite swiftly as other Orks see their behaviour as "un-Orky".
There are several other Chaos worshipping races noted in the background such as the Laer, the Yu'Vath and (presumably, based on their need to hoard Chaos artefacts) the Rak'Gol.
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2020/03/16 21:49:19
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Codex: Deathwatch mentions Slaanesh worshipping Sslyth.
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2020/03/16 22:10:22
Subject: Re:Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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As Grimtuff has said, Chaos Eldar and Orks exist in the lore. I've read a story with Chaos corrupted Kroot as well.
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2020/03/16 23:50:23
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Beastmen end up worshipping chaos pretty often, although "abhuman" isn't exactly the same as "non-human".
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2020/03/17 02:04:32
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Remember also that the presentation of chaos worship amongst humans isn't the default chaos worship.
Each race emotes differently and so the way chaos affects them will also be different. You can't just put blood for the blood god in front of every khorne cult.
I like to go to orks for this, because IMO it highlights how interesting non human chaos could be, if they spent any time on them. It also highlights how humancentric everyone's view of chaos is.
Orks love loud noises, fights, going fast, etc. They really love them. It's only a small step from here to being obsessed to excess. Thus, the chaos god most people say orks would hardly worship, Slannesh, in fact could be one of the most common.
Speed Freak warbands could become slannesh worshippers simply because slannesh wants them to keep trying to go faster, to never stop trying to go faster. Excess comes in many guises.
Tzeentch can manifest easily as well, in the form of 'kunnin'. Maybe Ok Weird Bosses emerge who say that kunnin' is the way to crump enemies, and keep winning despite their suspiciously unbrutal methods.
Kommando forces that focus on tactical insertion and sneaky stabbing could all see Tzeentch as the true kunnin', and his daemons as manifestations of orky know-wotz. Mechboyz and wierdboyz together represent different kinds of orky kunnin' so you can have forces of hightech orks representing the height of skill.
The Tau also can still fall to chaos, but it would be more subtle and also very distinct.
Any tau whose faith in the greater good falters, could easily hear the comforting whisper of Nurgle's jovial apathy. To the tau, rebellion in noncompliance is as radical as bombing your enemies.
The fire caste easily can fall to khorne en mass, while the ethereals and water caste could be tempted by the intellectual mysteries of Tzeentchian knowledge.
Even Slannesh can easily appear, through addiction to battlesuit use, and the obsession with the greater good itself. The most strident supporters of the GG themselves could fall to Slannesh in their excessive compliance.
The talissera bonding knife ritual is a perfect example, where slannesh gets into the loyal minds through their overwhelming devotion to the GG and each other.
The sooner people stop looking at chaos as 'bewbs', or 'rot', or 'blooooddddd', the sooner you see how the underpinning emotion and concept is pernicious in its application.
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2020/03/17 10:22:34
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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@Hellebore- Yup. Luetin09 on YouTube does an excellent video on this topic on the nature of Chaos. Chaos is seen as “evil” from a human centric standpoint but for example, to an Ork, Khorne with his twisted sense of martial pride and honour can seem to be a some benevolent god from an Ork’s eyes.
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2020/03/17 13:16:29
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yes. As mentioned Choas Orks and Choas Eldar are a thing. Though choas orks are very rare due to a combination of other Orks seeing Choas orks as unorky and killing them on sight. But much more because any time one of the Choas gods gets a bit too trigger happy about recruiting orks Gork and Mork actually stop fighting each other for a couple seconds and kick the ever living gak outta that Choas god. Recruiting orks just isnt worth it for the choas gods
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2020/03/17 13:32:18
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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The Drukhari hate and fear Slaanesh. They aren't trying to placate anything, rather, they are (hopefully) refilling their life force faster than Slaanesh can drain it, while trying to avoid dying (permanently) and hiding in the webway.
I believe that there are mentions of Aeldari Daemon Princes, but the impression I get is that they date back to before and during The Fall. The souls of Aeldari are now owned by Slaanesh, and they thus have nothing to bargain with, or offer, any of the Chaos Gods.
How, and if, Ynnead is able to change this, is another story.
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2020/03/17 16:56:26
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hellebore wrote:
The Tau also can still fall to chaos, but it would be more subtle and also very distinct.
Any tau whose faith in the greater good falters, could easily hear the comforting whisper of Nurgle's jovial apathy. To the tau, rebellion in noncompliance is as radical as bombing your enemies.
The fire caste easily can fall to khorne en mass, while the ethereals and water caste could be tempted by the intellectual mysteries of Tzeentchian knowledge.
Even Slannesh can easily appear, through addiction to battlesuit use, and the obsession with the greater good itself. The most strident supporters of the GG themselves could fall to Slannesh in their excessive compliance.
The talissera bonding knife ritual is a perfect example, where slannesh gets into the loyal minds through their overwhelming devotion to the GG and each other.
We only know of a single Tau corrupted by Chaos and that happened because of possession while the Earth Caste messed around with a captured Imperial warp engine. Barring Farsight, other Tau were appalled at his questioning of the Greater Good and his superiors in the Water Caste were mind controlled into committing suicide by the Ethereals because they didn't censure his questions.
So yes, Tau can become corrupt but the Ethereals maintain an even tighter grip on Tau society through their weird pheromone powers.
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2020/03/17 17:04:38
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Chaos Cultists are like Genestealers - both are human focused corrupt/twisting by an alien force. They are both used because humanity is the most vastly wide spread of all the races (except potentially Tyranids). So whilst there are corruptions of other races, humans are going to, by far and away, be the most likely thing you'd ever encounter.
Meanwhile armies like Orks have some built in natural measures which help seriously restrict the chances of anything "non-orky" rising up in any great numbers.
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2020/03/17 17:06:17
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It would be interesting to see how Khorne is handled by a race lacking both head-bones and blood.
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2020/03/17 19:26:22
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Nurglitch wrote:It would be interesting to see how Khorne is handled by a race lacking both head-bones and blood.
I think whatever their head and blood equivalent would do. It's about the symbolism rather than literal heads. Just stick the non-skull bones at the back of the pile.
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2020/03/17 20:44:03
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Overread wrote:Chaos Cultists are like Genestealers - both are human focused corrupt/twisting by an alien force. They are both used because humanity is the most vastly wide spread of all the races (except potentially Tyranids). So whilst there are corruptions of other races, humans are going to, by far and away, be the most likely thing you'd ever encounter.
Meanwhile armies like Orks have some built in natural measures which help seriously restrict the chances of anything "non-orky" rising up in any great numbers.
The Orks are the most populous and widespread of all races, humanity has no equivalence.
The whole unorky concept is also overly simplified. Humans kill mutants on sight, and have totalitarian societies that curb anything unimperial. But just humans can hide in the cracks so can Orks.
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2020/03/17 23:14:15
Subject: Re:Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Weren't there Khornate orks in a recent Sisters of Battle novella? Also, I believe that the Q'orl at least partially worship Chaos.
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2020/03/19 21:56:07
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think lots of people, including xenos, worship chaos without knowing it
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2020/03/19 23:26:23
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Fixture of Dakka
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IIRC one of the Psychic Awakening stories has a man go from worshipping the Emperor to worshipping Khorne because the cult taking over their planet dress it up as Emperor worship.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2020/03/20 12:00:55
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Well, to be fair, they DO share a pretty similar aesthetic, what with all the skulls and thrones.
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2020/03/20 13:01:33
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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pm713 wrote:IIRC one of the Psychic Awakening stories has a man go from worshipping the Emperor to worshipping Khorne because the cult taking over their planet dress it up as Emperor worship.
Was actually a woman IIRC. Some sort of security guard / enforcer type helping to process pilgrims arriving from off-world.
EDIT: Here it is: LINK
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. |
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2020/03/27 12:11:25
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Basecoated Black
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There have been chaos squats in the past. Heck they even had really cool exo-armor minis.
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2020/03/27 14:49:23
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Shuma-Gorath wrote:There have been chaos squats in the past. Heck they even had really cool exo-armor minis.
Squats are human.
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2020/03/27 16:12:30
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There were a few different instances of Nurgle Orks in 7th edition iirc.
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2020/03/27 17:23:50
Subject: Re:Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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The loxatl have a lot of Chaos worshippers, given the fact that a number of them go to Huron's Skull Harvest and are allies of the Blood Pact.
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2020/03/27 18:53:20
Subject: Re:Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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At least in the White Dwarf I have, they make a point of saying that although the Loxatl are quite happy to serve with worshippers of Chaos in conflicts, the Inquisition has seen no signs of Chaos corruption amoungst their race.
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2020/03/29 12:53:43
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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The Eisenhorn books are chock full of obscure and/or extinct alien races that have unmistakable connections to Chaos. They’re usually too alien to say whether they’re worshipping Chaos, using it, or something else....
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2020/03/29 15:57:45
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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harlokin wrote:The Drukhari hate and fear Slaanesh. They aren't trying to placate anything, rather, they are (hopefully) refilling their life force faster than Slaanesh can drain it, while trying to avoid dying (permanently) and hiding in the webway.
I believe that there are mentions of Aeldari Daemon Princes, but the impression I get is that they date back to before and during The Fall. The souls of Aeldari are now owned by Slaanesh, and they thus have nothing to bargain with, or offer, any of the Chaos Gods.
How, and if, Ynnead is able to change this, is another story.
The other three Chaos Gods would love to deprive their sibling of any and all souls that they can - if you want to be in thrall to a different god.
Dark Eldar can transition to other Eldar races and loose their thirst - not sure how that works but its in the lore.
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2020/03/29 16:20:25
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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The other Chaos gods can whistle, when Aeldari die their souls go to Slaanesh, regardless of worship.
The Asuryani only avoid this fate through the use of Spirit Stones (depite the fact that they in no way worship Slaanesh), while Drukahri have to make do with either not dying, or cutting a deal with a Haemonculus to intercept their soul and re-house it.
Harlequins are an exception, and I'm not familiar with the Ynnari lore.
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2020/03/29 16:28:01
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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harlokin wrote:The other Chaos gods can whistle, when Aeldari die their souls go to Slaanesh, regardless of worship.
The Asuryani only avoid this fate through the use of Spirit Stones (depite the fact that they in no way worship Slaanesh), while Drukahri have to make do with either not dying, or cutting a deal with a Haemonculus to intercept their soul and re-house it.
Harlequins are an exception, and I'm not familiar with the Ynnari lore.
There are still Slaanesh worshipping Eldar in the Eye of Terror - after if you are damned why not worship it? Perhaos it will be amused and grant some entertaininment in your mortal life.
We also know that the Dark Eldar can switch to being corsairs and even become a Aspect Warrior, how does this wprk - I don;t know but somehow they can stop feeding and still exist perfectly fine as Corsairs - see Path of the Outcast.
If you pledge your soul to a Chaos god he wants - and will likely fight for it.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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2020/03/29 16:36:51
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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There is old lore to that effect, and a more recent example in Crimson Tears, with the Kabal of the Burning Scale. In both cases it looks very much like there is worship, but no reciprocation.
Life as a Corsair is a tighrope walk, and even Asuryani tend to leave it after a while; they do not exist "perfectly fine". In any case "Paths" exist to protect Aeldari from Slaanesh through discipline and self-denial. The Drukhari could do that too, but they choose not to because of the self sacrfice required.
You can't pedge what you don't own.
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2020/03/29 16:42:16
Subject: Do non-human races have Chaos cults?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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harlokin wrote:There is old lore to that effect, and a more recent example in Crimson Tears, with the Kabal of the Burning Scale. In both cases it looks very much like there is worship, but no reciprocation.
Life as a Corsair is a tighrope walk, and even Asuryani tend to leave it after a while; they do not exist "perfectly fine". In any case "Paths" exist to protect Aeldari from Slaanesh through discipline and self-denial. The Drukhari could do that too, but they choose not to because of the self sacrfice required.
You can't pedge what you don't own.
Dark Eldar Corsairs do it without the thirst - again in Path of Outcast, but it is tempting for them to turn back to their old ways..
When did the Chaos Gods respect ownership - might makes right or being devious - taking from another is soooo sweet..
On a much larger scale - Khaine was the subject of a massive fight between Khorne and Slaanesh, Isha was grabbed by Nurgle so Slaanesh does not even have all the Eldar gods.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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