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So after an abortive attempt to use a Tomb Kings army in AoS, and getting pulverised, I'm still uncertain as to which army to collect and play.

Blood Knights are just too expensive to buy (can literally buy a start collecting box with a whole bunch of models for the same price as 5 of them) and my previous attempt at putting some together from alternative miniatures wasn't overly successful.

I don't know whether to take all of the above as a sign to just stay out of AoS (and stick to 40k)...

I am quite interested in the Flesh-eater Courts, though. 1) They are very different aesthetically to my Blood Angels army, 2) But they have the whole noble but (seriously) flawed vampire-ghoul thing going on and some great lore.

I just want to know if I'm going to regret getting into them on the tabletop? What are they like in a fight? Can they hold their own and win games?

Thanks.

Flesh-Eater Courts are among the strongest armies right now. They get mucked up by the absolute top-tier armies in competitive settings, but they're a strong contender none the less.

If you optimize the army in friendly games, you lose friends. They are monsterously strong compared to some other armies, and are just 'strong' when compared to the remainder books that are good, but not overpowered.

In a different thread I wrote up a little something regarding their Start Collecting Box. Prices are in CAD because that's what they are for me. Just need to google the price conversion.

Flesh-Eater Courts

Contents;

Terrorghiest/ Zombie Dragon kit. 75$ CAD
Crypt Horror/ Crypt Flayer kit, 3 models. 60$ CAD
Crypt Ghoul kit, 10 models. 25$ CAD (Standalone box comes with 20 models for 50$ CAD)

110$ CAD for the SC, 50$ CAD in savings.

Over all, fantastic box. You can build an entire army out of this, or just grab 2-3 and fill out with more troops or different units.

The Terrorghiest/Zombie Dragon kit builds 4 models. Each type of Dragon alone, as well as each one being ridden by an Abhorrent Ghoul King. The latter makes it a Hero rather than just a monster. Your terrifying beatstick than can completely run over the enemy army if they don't play well or have appropriate counters, which are hard to find.

Crypt Horror/Flayer kit is solid, however the Flayer is the clear better option due to it's speed, decent ranged attack, and melee power all combined.

Crypt Ghouls. Not much to say, they're numerous, cheap bodies but I've seen them buffed up to absurd degrees with stacking buffs, pumping out way too many attacks and fighting twice.

Flesh eater courts are super. Low model range, but some of the best models in the game. The giat thing on royal terrorgheist might just be one of the best models in the game at the moment.

If you still want blood knights they can be kitbashed quite easaly. In the old days people could use the high elf knights with dragon helmets, they where great.

I can't say that Terrorgheist is one of the best models. It's countered by two main things. Shooting, and not being allowed to fight. If the Terrorghiest isn't in melee, it's losing. Slaanesh can shut down it's ability to fight with Keeper's of Secrets, and Slaanesh's faction abilities are really good vs Dragons over all.

Getting shot and degraded before they reach combat also sucks for them.

Then there's shooting like Tzeentch where a 360pt unit of Flamers, buffed up with an Exalted Flamer for 100pts, can kill a Ghoul King on any Dragon in one round of shooting, with a 27" Threat Range.

Like I said though, they're very strong. The examples I gave are the absolute best armies in the game however.

When the argument is "the unit is beaten by Slaanesh and Tzeentch" I would say it is a pretty dam good unit.

I'm sure there's more that could be thought of, like a nasty CoS Artillery list, maybe KO, Skaven for sure... But yeah. They're damn good. I'm just trying to find the appropriate wording for it.

Thanks so much for this guys, I'm starting to get excited!

Yeah right now in AoS Slaanesh is on the broken side (esp when its using its summoning to call more keepers in a multi-keeper army). I wouldn't use it to compare.


Flesheaters have been strong for a good while, in fact the original (I think it got a little update patch at some stage) new model they got along with their terrain feature made them on the broken side for a bit.


So they are tough. They are also really easy to collect - not only is the getting started set really versatile for them; but they can even vary their builds. They can go heavy with ghouls or they can also deploy a full army of dragons and terrorghasts in excess of the normal monstrous unit limit. So you can just keep buying them for the troops and elites and collect up a force of bigger monsters to throw down on the table too if you like.


They have very little in the way of range, but a lot of AoS armies operate like that and its not really an issue. Their only other downside is being somewhat limited in model options; again not all that abnormal for AoS and since they are all pretty much in the getting started set you can really boost your army to a diverse force quite quickly.

 Niiai wrote:
Flesh eater courts are super. Low model range, but some of the best models in the game. The giat thing on royal terrorgheist might just be one of the best models in the game at the moment.

If you still want blood knights they can be kitbashed quite easaly. In the old days people could use the high elf knights with dragon helmets, they where great.

Yeah, it's just not possible to find Dragon Princes now though. I've had a look at Chaos Knights (which are good value giving you 10 models), but they don't have the right look for me.

If Flesh-eater Courts are good, though, I'm quite happy to that way

 Darian Aarush wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
Flesh eater courts are super. Low model range, but some of the best models in the game. The giat thing on royal terrorgheist might just be one of the best models in the game at the moment.

If you still want blood knights they can be kitbashed quite easaly. In the old days people could use the high elf knights with dragon helmets, they where great.

Yeah, it's just not possible to find Dragon Princes now though. I've had a look at Chaos Knights (which are good value giving you 10 models), but they don't have the right look for me.

If Flesh-eater Courts are good, though, I'm quite happy to that way

Impossible must've changed meanings....
Just type "dragon princes of caledor" into the EBay search bar. You'll find them. And if you don't? Then try again in a few days. Keep doing this until you find sets within the price range your OK with.

Dragon Princes have shot up in price because they are great models and popular as counts-as bloodriders and because they are no longer in production.

Sure you might get them cheaper, but its going to be a long slow hunt.

Yep, you wont see them less than $80 USD anymore.

To Quote Doom and Darknes when I asked if he thought it was one of the better models in the game?

"The GKoTG? It’s a flying wizard that heals, puts out mortal wounds, has a shooting attack, can be always strikes first and pile in twice with one of if not the highest damage output in the game...."

So while it was not a solid yes I feel like it was not quite a no either. So I guess the jury is out. It can have... *checks notes* ...problems with shooting, and not being allowed to fight.

 Niiai wrote:
To Quote Doom and Darknes when I asked if he thought it was one of the better models in the game?

"The GKoTG? It’s a flying wizard that heals, puts out mortal wounds, has a shooting attack, can be always strikes first and pile in twice with one of if not the highest damage output in the game...."

So while it was not a solid yes I feel like it was not quite a no either. So I guess the jury is out. It can have... *checks notes* ...problems with shooting, and not being allowed to fight.

That’s just it.
Everything has a weakness.
If it didn’t then it would be a bit over the top.
Comes down to what the actual weakness is and how commonly it’s faced.

Being weak against slaanesh is essentially an issue that every army in the game has, so it doesn’t really show anything there.
Also, being shot is a common thing for any large model and always has been.

To me, a weakness would be something like poor movement, a hindering rule or low damage output.
A weakness isn’t something that everything in the game suffers from.

Honestly shooting is a weakness to both FeC and HoS lol.

FECs are top tier right now. You need 2-3 start collecting boxes, a box of ghouls, and their endless spells. You can optionally grab their terrain piece and their Cardinal (newest dude on foot). You want 1-2 min units for camping on objectives, 1 max unit to become your blender, and 2 dudes on dragons/ Terrorgeists to tear into your opponent. Then you also want to get your summoning on too so you need another 30-40 dudes or some of the horror/flayer units.

You can get a nasty army all in for about $250-350.

boyd wrote:
FECs are top tier right now. You need 2-3 start collecting boxes, a box of ghouls, and their endless spells. You can optionally grab their terrain piece and their Cardinal (newest dude on foot). You want 1-2 min units for camping on objectives, 1 max unit to become your blender, and 2 dudes on dragons/ Terrorgeists to tear into your opponent. Then you also want to get your summoning on too so you need another 30-40 dudes or some of the horror/flayer units.

You can get a nasty army all in for about $250-350.

To quote Less Grossman in Thropic Thunder (2008): "Go to town, man. Go to town!"

It's a good army and fun, but in friendly games I do suggest not using Feeding Frenzy on a boosted Crypt Ghoul squad of 40. That's how you drain the life force out of your opponents and they will never want to play against you again.

Your opponents just need to git gud.

 Eldarsif wrote:
It's a good army and fun, but in friendly games I do suggest not using Feeding Frenzy on a boosted Crypt Ghoul squad of 40. That's how you drain the life force out of your opponents and they will never want to play against you again.

I would go further and say not using feeding frenzy at all is a decent way of bringing things down to normal levels.

 Eldarsif wrote:
It's a good army and fun, but in friendly games I do suggest not using Feeding Frenzy on a boosted Crypt Ghoul squad of 40. That's how you drain the life force out of your opponents and they will never want to play against you again.

Thanks for the tip... Although now I'm desperate to use Feeding Frenzy at least once just to see what happens!


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Thanks for all of this guys, really appreciate it. Going to save up and go with FeC. Am happy with the lore, the models and now with playability.

What will happen? Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooots of dice rolled. That's what. It takes ages.

Not that uber powerful though. Okay I had only 30 but still I bounced off bonereaper unit. But god damn it took time to sort it out.

You'd be hard pressed to find a worse unit to go against with crypt ghouls, isn't really a measure of effectiveness.

Here is a nice battlereport of two nice chaps and one person trying to understand how to deal with flesh eater courts. They have played many a time. There are more play throughs in there. Another one follows bellow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22MwAG5moU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxxE3XGa0CA

 Niiai wrote:
Here is a nice battlereport of two nice chaps and one person trying to understand how to deal with flesh eater courts. They have played many a time. There are more play throughs in there. Another one follows bellow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22MwAG5moU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxxE3XGa0CA

Thank you!

 Eldarsif wrote:
It's a good army and fun, but in friendly games I do suggest not using Feeding Frenzy on a boosted Crypt Ghoul squad of 40. That's how you drain the life force out of your opponents and they will never want to play against you again.

BTW for really sucky situation add archregent and foot ghoul king's spell to unit. Potentially 280 attack from 40 ghoul. Then do it again...560 attacks. Then for REAL "why so many dices!" there's at least to wound reroll option. Not sure about to hit.

Hopefully your opponent is fine with using application.

Does kill pretty much anything...even 3+ rerollable save gets 15 wounds through even without to wound reroll.