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Just spotted this article on DenofGeek, and figured it might be of interest to fellow Dakka airs.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/is-spider-man-3-a-spider-verse-sinister-six-movie/

In short, not only is Jamie Foxx back as Electro? But Alfred Molina is back as Doctor Octopus...which is pretty wild casting if you ask me.

Interestingly though, it seems the as yet untitled sequel to Far From Home is scheduled for release before Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Indeed, if the release schedule runs true to the current plan (in this economy??), we’ll likely have seen it by this time next year, according to Wikipedia.

We also get Wandavision on Disney+ first.

My reckons here is that all the buggering about with the very fabric of the universe in Infinity War and End Game messed up the barriers between worlds, allowing bleed through etc.

Oh, and we of course have Black Widow to come in between. I’ll bet she’s back from the ded - after all, Banner only said I tried. Given where she snuffed it, and where things left off, they’ve no way of knowing he failed in that endeavour.

I know opinions will vary, but after a year of rest from the cultural juggernaught that is the MCU, I’m happy to see the hype train coming back down the track!

..and not only that, but aside from Holland, Maguire and Garfield are possibly in as well?

Holding out hope for someone as Miguel O'Hara too...

If they’re going multi-verse (and they may not be), who can tell!

I do wonder if this is partially Stunt Casting, and they’ll be little more than cameo, rather than fuller roles.

They could even be in-jokes. Such as someone making in-universe Spidey inspired films, with Foxx and Molina playing themselves playing Electro and Doc Ock.

I personally think this is a huge mistake driven by Sony's idiot corporate lusts.

Holland's Parker was left in a good spot for his own story where he really gets to be his own person with a good set of villains to come after him (scorpion and kraven since he is no doubt being hunted).

But this... This is a fething mess. It's spider man 3 and amazing spiderman 2 again. Just cram everything in and maybe you get a story out of it? None of this sounds good to me.

Molina was a distinct high point in the first trilogy.

Foxx, not so much, but I’m not pinning it on him.

All gonna boil down to what they’re actually up to here.

I mean, Into the Spiderverse did well to introduce people to the concepts of Multverse shenanigan's, even if it wasn't MCU.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean, Into the Spiderverse did well to introduce people to the concepts of Multverse shenanigan's, even if it wasn't MCU.

Yeah, but it was a movie specifically ABOUT that. Tom Holland is already in a situation when this movie starts that arguably is a whole movie in and of itself (Being hunted for the death of Mysterio). So in the midst of being hunted.... 2 more Spiderman + Electro + Dr Octopus + Casting for Kraven so on and so forth. It's too much.

Thus far the MCU has been pretty solid. Even the 'bad' releases have been entertaining, and the good ones have been very good indeed. Unless I hear some really bad reviews from my friends, I'll almost certainly go see it.

It would be sad if this is the movie that breaks the MCU's streak...

I haven't liked either of the MCU's Spider-man movies thanks to all the high school drama bits.
So I'm happy for the next film to throw whatever it likes at Spidey, as long as it keeps him out of school.

Having said that, isn't Dr. Strange meant to be in this as well?
The whole multiverse bit could just be him showing a depressed Peter how other Spider-men are doing.

 Lance845 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean, Into the Spiderverse did well to introduce people to the concepts of Multverse shenanigan's, even if it wasn't MCU.

Yeah, but it was a movie specifically ABOUT that. Tom Holland is already in a situation when this movie starts that arguably is a whole movie in and of itself (Being hunted for the death of Mysterio). So in the midst of being hunted.... 2 more Spiderman + Electro + Dr Octopus + Casting for Kraven so on and so forth. It's too much.

It’s more the reveal of Spidey as Peter Parker.

Mysterio’s whopping great ribs are easily debunked - after all, Spidey was operating on SHIELD’s orders. With everyone rounded up and under arrest, the real footage will be in the hands of law enforcement.

If the previous Spideys are here? Possibly borrowed from other dimensions, so Spidey can be seen to Spidey whilst Parker’s location is shown elsewhere. All sorts can be done without it getting even close to “super duper jump 12 sharks ultra mega final team up”

 Lance845 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean, Into the Spiderverse did well to introduce people to the concepts of Multverse shenanigan's, even if it wasn't MCU.

Yeah, but it was a movie specifically ABOUT that. Tom Holland is already in a situation when this movie starts that arguably is a whole movie in and of itself (Being hunted for the death of Mysterio). So in the midst of being hunted.... 2 more Spiderman + Electro + Dr Octopus + Casting for Kraven so on and so forth. It's too much.

This is Holland's way out. Now there are multiple Spider-Men, who's to say that the one 'revealed' by JJJ really was the one who murdered Mysterio?

Pin it on McGuire. His version deserves it most after SM3.

Bring in Doc Oc permanently, as Alfred Molinia was the best thing in that entire trilogy by miles. Yes, even including Willem Defoe.

I can see it now:

Spider-Man (Maguire): What are those things on your wrists?
Spider-Man (Garfield): What? You mean these?
Spider-Man (Maguire): Yeah.
Spider-Man (Holland): They're web-shooters. I've got ones on my suit too.
Spider-Man (Maguire): You don't shoot webs naturally?
Spider-Man (Garfield): You do?
Spider-Man (Holland): Aw dude! That's super gross!

Wiki article also claims Emma Stone and Kirsten Dunst are returning.

I'm guessing most of this is going to be minor cameos of some sort more than major characters. Mostly just an excuse to get the Sinister Six together quickly by cribbing a couple members from parallel realities.There will be a main villain driving everything and the Jamie and Molina will get to pose menacingly behind them and get in on the action. I'm more curious how Ock is alive, but whatever.

are they just going to make Into the Spider-verse: Live Action ? Because that would be super lame.

I am with Lance on this one.

I dont want milonas doc oct. He was a big enough idiot to build a sun in a small room with an exposed microchip to stop his robot arms from taking over his mind.

Do an MCU doc oct thats actually wholly good.

Also his plan to fund his research was to steal big sacks full of quarters with dollar signs on them.

 Easy E wrote:
are they just going to make Into the Spider-verse: Live Action ? Because that would be super lame.

I am with Lance on this one.

I don't think they actually will. I think those elements will be fairly light overall and mostly used to connect it to the rest of the multiverse aesthetic they're going for while bringing in a couple ringers for the Six without having to set them up.

 aku-chan wrote:
I haven't liked either of the MCU's Spider-man movies thanks to all the high school drama bits.
So I'm happy for the next film to throw whatever it likes at Spidey, as long as it keeps him out of school.

My biggest problem is that he isnt shown how many other Spidermen are. HE isnt shown to be this incredibly intelligent guerilla scientist who mades his own gear and suit.
He was given everything.
And then what they did to Mary Jane and how they ruined her entire character, and how he has literally NONE of spidermans supporting characters, no harry, no norman. no JJJ. He is literally, just spiderman, Iron Mans pet project.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 aku-chan wrote:
I haven't liked either of the MCU's Spider-man movies thanks to all the high school drama bits.
So I'm happy for the next film to throw whatever it likes at Spidey, as long as it keeps him out of school.

My biggest problem is that he isnt shown how many other Spidermen are. HE isnt shown to be this incredibly intelligent guerilla scientist who mades his own gear and suit.
He was given everything.
And then what they did to Mary Jane and how they ruined her entire character, and how he has literally NONE of spidermans supporting characters, no harry, no norman. no JJJ. He is literally, just spiderman, Iron Mans pet project.

I have to agree with that aspect. Spider-Man really does lack an identity as far as his presence in the MCU goes as he's just being set up as Stark's successor, since all of his villains are derived from Stark and not himself. Vulture's background is tied to his grudge against Tony. Likewise with Quentin Beck, being a disgruntled former employee of Stark. And all the stuff Spiderman faced up until this point is because of his ties to Tony/the Avengers.

Which is a shame since it's abundantly clear from the previous spider man movies that Peter doesn't need that kind of ensemble support to make a movie about him work.

In some ways this harkens back to early Spidey though. A lot of the villains didn't really have a beef with Spiderman. It was usually Norman or JJJ or someone similar. They developed a grudge with Spiderman after being stopped initially. Stark is really more than anything filling the role Norman once did.

Also a LOT of the MCU Spiderman is just 616 names plastered over Ultimate Miles's characters. Not really a bad thing; just a part of the whole "modern Spiderman" thing that makes Miles work so well in the first place. Basically the same thing you see DC do with Barry acting like Wally as the Flash.

The MCU Spidey is kinda mix of their Tony Stark (total tech head, doesn’t always look at the bigger picture) and Steve Rogers (ultimately, just a kid who wants to help people, albeit one given immense powers in one-off situations).

That his villains aren’t his doing makes him more heroic, not less. He goes up against them not simply because of being super powered, but because he feels he must.

Stark recognised this, hence urging him to be Friendly Neighbourhood.

I'm not necessarily saying the villains have to be created by him, since that opens a whole other can of worms, but rather that they're really not tied to Peter at all. Osborn as Green Goblin builds tension between Peter and him since he is his best friend's dad, who usually likes Peter over Harry due to several reasons. Doc Ock is usually framed as a friend or mentor of Peter in movies/video games (I know that's not the usual comic book history but it's a lot harder to establish backstory effectively in a movie medium otherwise) which makes his turn to villainy more tragic. Doctor Connors has the same potential arc as a villain when he turns into the Lizard. Venom's whole thing is to be Spider-Man's nemesis before they did that bizarre standalone movie.

I just think it's kinda crappy for him to be in a situation where Peter is stuck perpetually cleaning up Tony's messes rather than being allowed to develop his own tensions with them that go beyond their grudges against Stark.

It's also kind of dumb that at this point literally every villain has been turned into "potential father figure filling the void left by Uncle Ben who genuinely cares for Peter while also hating Spider-Man".

 LunarSol wrote:
It's also kind of dumb that at this point literally every villain has been turned into "potential father figure filling the void left by Uncle Ben who genuinely cares for Peter while also hating Spider-Man".

I think this is their lazy way of connecting Peter to the villain without having to put too much effort into their villainous motivations and drawing sympathy to their character just by virtue of filling that father figure role.

Part of the reason why I wanted Kingpin (and why he worked in Spider-verse pretty well) or Tombstone as an overarching villain is because they both avoid those traps while also having the overarching influence and crime acumen to not just get punched by Spidey in public like most of the other villains do since they have the "air" of legitimacy with their criminal enterprises having legal fronts. It's also a way to keep them as recurring bad guys since they're usually smart enough to use other pawns to do their dirty work.

The MCU is extremely guilty of offing the majority of their villains (barring Loki, which is more of an anti-hero, and Thanos) in a single movie.

While this is all beginning to smell like throwing gak at the wall to see what sticks, allegedly "reliable" sources are today reporting that Charlie Cox is set to play Matt Murdock once more in the Spiderman 3.

The MCU Spidey films have been avoiding what the previous two incarnations have done, which is why the villains are all different and why we're not having all them relate to Spider-Man somehow.

I mean, every villain in the previous Spider-Man films was known by Peter in some way prior to their villaindom (except maybe Rhino in ASM2). Here they all stem from Tony Stark.

They've not done Osborn because they've already done Osborn. Twice. They're not doing Harry as they've already done Harry. Twice.

I'm not saying it's perfect (the removal of both Gwen and Mary Jane in the MCU is a really odd choice, given how intrinsic they are to the character's story), but I don't mind them trying to tell a different Spider-Man story than the one we're used to.

Of course, now every Spider-Man ever will be in the next film, so that all goes out the window.

So now there is a rumor that Charlie Cox's Daredevil will be in the movie too.

So that means right now the casting includes...

3 Spidermans
Maguires Doc Oct.
Electro but this time not blue
Kraven the Hunter
Dr. Strange
Dare Devil

Potential links to Venom.

Crowded enough yet?

This is a fething nightmare if even half of it is true.

 Grimskul wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
It's also kind of dumb that at this point literally every villain has been turned into "potential father figure filling the void left by Uncle Ben who genuinely cares for Peter while also hating Spider-Man".

I think this is their lazy way of connecting Peter to the villain without having to put too much effort into their villainous motivations and drawing sympathy to their character just by virtue of filling that father figure role.

Part of the reason why I wanted Kingpin (and why he worked in Spider-verse pretty well) or Tombstone as an overarching villain is because they both avoid those traps while also having the overarching influence and crime acumen to not just get punched by Spidey in public like most of the other villains do since they have the "air" of legitimacy with their criminal enterprises having legal fronts. It's also a way to keep them as recurring bad guys since they're usually smart enough to use other pawns to do their dirty work.

The MCU is extremely guilty of offing the majority of their villains (barring Loki, which is more of an anti-hero, and Thanos) in a single movie.

To be fair, they’ve “killed” Loki like twice now, not even counting the time he faked it.

 Lance845 wrote:
3 Spidermans
Maguires Doc Oct.
Electro but this time not blue
Kraven the Hunter
Dr. Strange
Dare Devil

Potential links to Venom.

Crowded enough yet?

I can't imagine how they're ever going to make a movie with so many characters work.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
3 Spidermans
Maguires Doc Oct.
Electro but this time not blue
Kraven the Hunter
Dr. Strange
Dare Devil

Potential links to Venom.

Crowded enough yet?

I can't imagine how they're ever going to make a movie with so many characters work.

It's not Marvel. It's Sony. And they gak the bed when it was just Harry Osborn, Venom, and Sandman. Or Electro, Rhino, and a basement full of backpacks. I have faith that Marvel knows what they are doing. I have ZERO faith in Sony.