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For those unaware, more stuff from the Death Guard codex has been revealed, and basically you're limited to whatever is in the kit for Plague Marines. Not only is this stupidly wordy and complex, it's asinine and takes away from various builds that have been done before, all in the name of "write the rules for the kit". Apparently their Terminators suffered a similar fate as well.

These rules writers are on drugs. I don't know what kind, but anything that would make this seem like a good idea would not be good for for brain.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

For those unaware, more stuff from the Death Guard codex has been revealed, and basically you're limited to whatever is in the kit for Plague Marines. Not only is this stupidly wordy and complex, it's asinine and takes away from various builds that have been done before, all in the name of "write the rules for the kit". Apparently their Terminators suffered a similar fate as well.

These rules writers are on drugs. I don't know what kind, but anything that would make this seem like a good idea would not be good for for brain.

honestly this seems like a better change for the players, no need to buy multiple boxes to get a single loadout squad

Except you need two boxes to get 10 models, as the kit only comes with 7 (for the price of 10).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except you need two boxes to get 10 models, as the kit only comes with 7 (for the price of 10).

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

And if you were enough of a sucker not to magnetize, now you have to hack up your old miniatures to make them battle legal again. Or just buy whole new ones, GW would love if you did that...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except you need two boxes to get 10 models, as the kit only comes with 7 (for the price of 10).

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

Should just made max squad size 7 then....

No models -> No rules and this as the logical conclusion are one of the worst things about the game imo.

It felt better to have more options / freedom available for loadouts, even if that meant to kitbash some models.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

For those unaware, more stuff from the Death Guard codex has been revealed, and basically you're limited to whatever is in the kit for Plague Marines. Not only is this stupidly wordy and complex, it's asinine and takes away from various builds that have been done before, all in the name of "write the rules for the kit". Apparently their Terminators suffered a similar fate as well.

These rules writers are on drugs. I don't know what kind, but anything that would make this seem like a good idea would not be good for for brain.

honestly this seems like a better change for the players, no need to buy multiple boxes to get a single loadout squad

I don't see how this is better at all. That list is ridiculously wordy and complicated. What's the problem with allowing the loadout in the box to be legal but also allowing flexibility to build squads more freely? If I'm paying points for it, there's no reason you need to restrict a Bubotic Axe, for example, to one in every 5 models. Also, the picture is a bit difficult to read, but does this mean you can't have 2 Blight Launchers in a squad now?

Not exactly thrilled about this. I have a 10 man Blightlord squad with 10x combi-plasma (which took many weeks of trading to get the bits) and a large blob of Plague Marines with dual knives that now cannot be fielded. Also concerned about my CSM Terminators getting hit by the same thing when their book comes around.

The only sour note from what is otherwise a brilliant book. I do wonder how consistently they're going to enforce this in future codexes.

Bodies I'll for other armies that rely on getting stuff from other boxes

If this design decision follows through with the Chaos Space Marines codex, I am excited to see the 2 page Chaos Terminator entry explaining how every 5 models can have 1 model with X, Y, or Z, 1 model with A, B, or C, so on and so forth.

Yeah, I like basically everything about the new Codex I've read so far but this sucks how do the options look for Blightlord Terminators?

Rihgu wrote:
If this design decision follows through with the Chaos Space Marines codex, I am excited to see the 2 page Chaos Terminator entry explaining how every 5 models can have 1 model with X, Y, or Z, 1 model with A, B, or C, so on and so forth.

Terminators,...

How about the basic CSM instead.. neither enough close combat equipment NOR enough boltguns...

Also one melta / plasma / Flamer + HB / Rocket launcher... Great squad design....

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, I like basically everything about the new Codex I've read so far but this sucks how do the options look for Blightlord Terminators?

They basically got the same treatment with their Combi-Weapons. You get 1 Blight Launcher or 1 Combi-Weapon.

If you believe thats is extreme conclusion you should look at how the Kharadron Overlord units from AoS need to be equiped.


It would be the equivalent of having your SM devastator squad armed with 1 of each heavy weapon. That basically made me stop my plans to have a Kharadron army. I HATE mixing weapons. I really, really, hate it. it is horrible to use ingame, it looks awfull on the miniatures, and it slows the game down.

This is terrible GW made a terrible decision and everyone needs to Email them telling them so.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
This is terrible GW made a terrible decision and everyone needs to Email them telling them so.

What's their email for this kinda thing?

Because I wholeheartedly agree.

Either the customer services one or the 40kFAQ one, I'd guess.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
This is terrible GW made a terrible decision and everyone needs to Email them telling them so.

What's their email for this kinda thing?

Because I wholeheartedly agree.

Custserv@gwplc.com

Uk.custserv@gwplc.com for uk.

On my lunch break I will send them an email. This is just utterly ridiculous.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
This is terrible GW made a terrible decision and everyone needs to Email them telling them so.

What's their email for this kinda thing?

Because I wholeheartedly agree.

Custserv@gwplc.com

Uk.custserv@gwplc.com for uk.

Nope. Feedback on the rules goes to 40kfaq@gwplc.com

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except you need two boxes to get 10 models, as the kit only comes with 7 (for the price of 10).

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

And once you've bought the second box, you have four left over which you now can't use due to reduced max unit size.

Me and my regular opponents have already agreed to stick with 8th ed rules and codices. Even so, I am unreasonably angry about this change. Slayer-Fan is right - this is asinine, and it represents the nadir (hopefully) of the fallout from the Chapterhouse litigation.

This has nothing to do with Chapterhouse.

At all.

Like, it's been years, and dozens of other units in that time have had, and have, options available to them which aren't in the kits.

Lets not try to pretend that this is poor ol' GeeDubs having to be like this because of Chapterhouse - this is GW's doing. It's GW's fault. GW are to blame.

I know this may be a crazy idea, but you could buy a third box and then have enough models for a 10-model, 6-model, and 5-model squad.

Or there is the Plague Marine Reinforcement Box that gets you up to 7 models in the second unit.

Or buy the Chosen of Mortarion that includes a Plague Marine Champion to give you that 15th model.

Or the Plague Marine Icon Bearer or Plague Marine Champion single models for the 15th model.

Yeah, I know I'm being too generous to GW on this.

Is this being applied consistently? Did the 9th Marine books restrict things down to the kit level like this?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
If this design decision follows through with the Chaos Space Marines codex, I am excited to see the 2 page Chaos Terminator entry explaining how every 5 models can have 1 model with X, Y, or Z, 1 model with A, B, or C, so on and so forth.

Terminators,...

How about the basic CSM instead.. neither enough close combat equipment NOR enough boltguns...

Also one melta / plasma / Flamer + HB / Rocket launcher... Great squad design....

So, no more lascannons, combi-weapons for the aspiring champion, reaper chaincannons, ....no more autocannons.

So much for rules supporting kit bashing and customisation.

 Eldarain wrote:
Is this being applied consistently? Did the 9th Marine books restrict things down to the kit level like this?

Nope. Not even close.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except you need two boxes to get 10 models, as the kit only comes with 7 (for the price of 10).

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

And once you've bought the second box, you have four left over which you now can't use due to reduced max unit size.

Well what's the min. unit size?

ccs wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Except you need two boxes to get 10 models, as the kit only comes with 7 (for the price of 10).

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

And once you've bought the second box, you have four left over which you now can't use due to reduced max unit size.

Well what's the min. unit size?

It's five models.