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Based on the award-winning novels by Isaac Asimov, Foundation chronicles a band of exiles on their monumental journey to save humanity and rebuild civilization amid the fall of the Galactic Empire: https://apple.co/_Foundation
Foundation stars SAG Award-winner and Emmy-nominee Jared Harris as Hari Seldon; Lee Pace as Brother Day; Lou Llobell as Gaal; Leah Harvey as Salvor; Laura Birn as Demerzel; Terrence Mann as Brother Dusk; and Cassian Bilton as play Brother Dawn.
Foundation is executive produced by Robyn Asimov, David S. Goyer, Josh Friedman, Cameron Welsh, David Ellison, Dana Goldberg and Marcy Ross. The series is produced for Apple by Skydance Television.
I am not sure if this will work - in the same way as trying to the do the Culture novels justice is hard.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
It sounds like they are basing the show on the Foundation prequels, the cash-in novels no one thinks of when one says “Foundation series”. I suppose they could be basing it on the prologue to the first one in the original trilogy, but then the series would be 95% invented out of whole cloth by David S Goyer and his peers.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: It sounds like they are basing the show on the Foundation prequels, the cash-in novels no one thinks of when one says “Foundation series”. I suppose they could be basing it on the prologue to the first one in the original trilogy, but then the series would be 95% invented out of whole cloth by David S Goyer and his peers.
Ah right thanks - I have never read them just the original novels decades ago.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I rest the trilogy, then the two added in the 80’s after the trilogy, which were not great. Then I started one or two of the prequel books and gave up on them pretty quickly because the magic was just gone.
Well it certainly looks like they are throwing some money and big names at it.
I'm not familiar with the prequel trilogies (although seeing this is coming out has made me re-read the original trilogy).
So when are they set exactly? Is it spending more time around Hari Seldon when he is making his pronouncements about psycho-history and the fall of the Empire?
It doesn't look like the Galactic Empire in my head , and the bit in the trailer where David S Goyer says "like Asimov would have wanted" over a shot of someone in fancy space armour waving a laser gun seems like they've missed something.
Still, even if it's Foundation in name only, it still looks interesting. Interesting enough to sign up for Apple TV+? That's a different question.
Also, someone's getting their money's worth from the black hole effect from Interstellar; I hope Kip Thorne and Double Negative are still getting royalties.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Looks interesting, though I still have no inclination to get Apple TV.
I watched a bunch of clips & reviews of the first season on youtube and I thought Lee Pace's segments were the standouts. The Dawn/Day/Dusk was a neat concept with the clone brothers. Their robot attendant was also interesting.
The rest, despite Jared Harris in some of it, just didn't hit the same for me.
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
I enjoyed S1 but it wasn't outstanding. Interestingly I thought some of the best bits (Lee Pace's Empire character) were not from the books I have read - maybe one of the prequels or spin-offs that I have missed?
I also thought the almost quasi-religious visitations that Gaal experienced were completely at odds with the books and the concepts of psycho-history.
Finally, I didn't think too much of Harris in his role. I like him as an actor and thought he was good in other things, but possibly miscast here?
Its quite possible that you could watch this series and, if the title were hidden from you, not realise it was based off the Foundation books. But, it might be that the script writers took some necessary liberties, as much as I love the originals a direct translation might not have been possible. Still hopeful that we might one day get a faithful version of Caves of Steel and that trilogy, which would be an obvious choice (and probably a lot easier to make than Foundation).
Pacific wrote: I enjoyed S1 but it wasn't outstanding. Interestingly I thought some of the best bits (Lee Pace's Empire character) were not from the books I have read - maybe one of the prequels or spin-offs that I have missed?
I also thought the almost quasi-religious visitations that Gaal experienced were completely at odds with the books and the concepts of psycho-history.
Finally, I didn't think too much of Harris in his role. I like him as an actor and thought he was good in other things, but possibly miscast here?
Its quite possible that you could watch this series and, if the title were hidden from you, not realise it was based off the Foundation books. But, it might be that the script writers took some necessary liberties, as much as I love the originals a direct translation might not have been possible. Still hopeful that we might one day get a faithful version of Caves of Steel and that trilogy, which would be an obvious choice (and probably a lot easier to make than Foundation).
Hmm. I forgot there were spin offs. Which is odd, as I have the trilogy done by the 3 “B’s (Brin, Bear, and Benford) which I recall liking a lot more then the original. There might be more meat there that the TV series pulled from, as the original Asimov is very thin.
Yeah the religious angle killed it for me. It was totally against Asimov's wordbuilding.
However from a technical point it is very well made, and the sequence with Emperor Noon in his pilgrimage was phenomenal....
You shouldn't be worried about the one bullet with your name on it, Boldric. You should be worried about the ones labelled "to whom it may concern"-from Blackadder goes Forth!
There's snippets taken from later books, other stuff made up of whole cloth (the whole 3-stages-of-emperor gak isn't in the books).
They've changed a lot of stuff, and the planet whose entire diplomatic delegation is slaughtered by the empire wasn't actually in the books. Neither was the whole religious angle with the android handmaiden (she really only comes into the story later on - but she WAS around for a loooooong time).
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.