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Made in ie
Regular Dakkanaut




Hi All,

If I have a unit with Cloud of Flies active, there is a character in front of the unit (within 3"), who is itself protected by a unit of Death Shroud Terminators and that unit is Obscured by a ruin, but the character is still visible, how is Order of Operations resolved?

1) You can target nothing, because there are no eligible targets.
2) You can target the unit with Cloud of Flies because there are no closer eligible targets.

Let's say instead of Death Shrouds its a unit of Nurglings hidden out of sight. Does that change anything (i.e. taking Bodyguards out of the equation), or is the unit with Cloud of Flies still eligible?

To further mix things up, instead of Cloud of Flies, let's say its the Alpha Legion obscuring unit stratagem, which does not have the stipulation of no closer eligible target. How does this effect the above scenarios?

Just asking cause this came up recently and didn't know how to play it?

Best,
Samii.

   
Made in de
Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

A drawing or picture of the situation would be helpful.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





Quotes of the relevant rules would help, I don't have access to DG rules.
   
Made in gb
Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores





Samii wrote:
Hi All,

If I have a unit with Cloud of Flies active, there is a character in front of the unit (within 3"), who is itself protected by a unit of Death Shroud Terminators and that unit is Obscured by a ruin, but the character is still visible, how is Order of Operations resolved?


I believe that the unit with Cloud of Flies on it can be shot at.

Cloud of flies says that you can only shoot at the unit if it is within 12" of the firer or is the closest eligible target.

An Eligible Target is defined, within the glossary, as a unit not within engagement range of any units from your army and having at least one model within range and visible and, importantly I think, unless otherwise specified. So I take that as meaning that anything that stops you from being able to fire at a unit, such as Look Out Sir, makes it not an Eligible Target.

So running through scenario A with the Deathshrouds. The Deathshrouds are not an eligible target as they are not within sight. The character is not an eligible target as it is within 3" of the Deathshrouds and therefore their Bodyguard aura is in effect. This means that the Cloud of Flies unit is the only eligible target and so can be fired at.

Scenario B, with the Nurglings, is similar. The Nurglings are not an eligible target as they are not within sight. The character is not an eligible target as it is within 3" of the Nurglings and the Nurglings are closer, so Look Out Sir takes effect and the character is not an eligible target. This, again, leaves the Cloud of Flies unit as the only eligible target so it can be fired at.

I don't think that this is about ordering the operations. If the Cloud of Flies unit is more than 12" away then determine if each other closer unit is an Eligible Target in any order and if, at the end, there is no Eligible Target other than the Cloud of Flies unit then it can still be shot at.

I can't comment on the Alpha Legion stratagem, I'd have to check the exact wording.

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