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I am new to Warhammer, so I am reading and watching allot of YouTube. I have the rule book ( core book that came with indomitus box set), space marine codex and the Blood angels codex supplement.
I have a few questions.
1. Can I assign a character as my warlord and also have a Master of the chapter ( please see page 98 in the rule book )?
2. Are the Master of the chapter character upgrades designating them as a warlord?
3. Can I assign one of the Master of the chapter characters as my warlord, thus giving him two warlord traits?
4. Can you have more than one warlord in a army?

I noticed under Chapter command, Master of the chapter ( which for space marines there are 7 upgrades I could use, each being for a different model, reading from page 98 of the space marine codex), gets warlord traits automatically with the upgrade. I noticed in the text on page 98 of the space marine codex for the upgrade to "Chapter Master" it states under "Master of the Codex (Warlord Trait), "at the start of your command phase, if this Warlord is on the battlefield, roll one D6 on a 4+, you gain 1 command point. Notice the word warlord is bold, thus telling me that this Chapter Master must now have the keyword "Warlord". Is that correct?

Page 238 of the main rule book ( core book that came with the indomitus box set) states " Once you have mustered your army, select one of your models to be your warlord. That model gains the Warlord keyword, if your Warlord has the Character keyword they will have a Warlord trait".
This is the reason I think I can assign a character as my warlord and also have a chapter command Master of the chapter character upgrade.
But I was also thinking why not assign the master of chapter character as my warlord thus giving him two warlord traits.
But then I know that the detachments Patrol, Battalion, Brigade need a warlord in them to rebate my command points. Would a Master of the chapter qualify as a warlord?

I hope you can see the reason for my questions and can assist me with it.

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Tacoma, WA, USA

1. Yes. You can have as many Masters of the Chapter as you want, following the restrictions in that section of the rules.

2. No. Masters of the Chapter provide the character with a specific ability and access to a specific Warlord Trait and Relic. It does not confer on that character the Warlord Trait nor the Relic.

3. Yes and No. Selecting the Master as the Warlord allows it to select a Warlord Trait.

4. No. However there are stratagems that allow you to give other characters a Warlord Trait, but they are only considered to be a Warlord for the purposes of the selected Warlord Trait.
   
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I am a little confused.
Reading your response on item number 2 and 3.
Question
1. Are you stating that for a Master of the chapter character to receive the warlord trait, they must be designated as your armies warlord?
2. Reading number 4, and if I can only have one warlord per army, then going along with my question number one in this reply, I am interpreting that only one of my Master of the chapter characters can have access to the warlord traits, since I can only designate one warlord per army.
3. Finally, if I understand correctly, only one warlord is allowed per army.
   
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1) you can have as many masters of the chapter as you like subject to their restrictions. The common one being you can only have each once. (Note some named characters have the keyword so you couldn't take corbulo and a cheif apothecary because corbulo is one)

2) no warlord/hero of the chapter selection is seperate

3) The master of the chapter special relic and warlord trait are not automatically granted to a master of the chapter if you wanted the chapter master specific warlord trait you would have to have a reason to give him a warlord trait and select that one eg warlord, hero of the chapter

4) Not normally (In a standard game you get one warlord) you can have other models that get warlord traits but they are only considered as warlords for the purposes of the strat. (I say normally as somewhere I can't remember where there was a GW narrative mission with multiple warlords.)

Think of it this way each upgrade is

Gain ability A + if you can take a relic and wish to you have the option of taking additional relic B as that relic and if you can take a warlord trait and want to you can select warlord trait c as that warlord trait. (The only thing that is different about them is that they are not restricted from vehicles so a cheif librarian dreadnought (BA/FT chapters) can take one legally as a relic)

A warlord is mandatory it can be any model on your army if that model is a character you can give it a warlord trait, you also gain one free relic (but that doesn't have to go on the warlord it can go on any eligible character) (in practice everyone picks a character because having a warlord trait is more advantageous than not)


So yes a master is eligible to get your warlord in total it will get one warlord trait and you will have one relic you can distribute to any character

Then as alextroy pointed out their are strats to allow takeing additional traits and relics. Some chapter can double warlord trait but usually with the restriction that one is chapter specific

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Here is my understanding after reading the replies.

I generally can only have one warlord per army. It would be rare to have more than one. Any model can be a warlord, but if that model is a character I can gain a warlord trait for the character I chose as my warlord.

If I have a warlord in my army, then I can gain a relic that I can assign to any character. I could assign that relic to my warlord, if I wish, since he is a character.

For one of the Master of the Chapter characters to gain access to the warlord trait or the relic that is called out in their description or the chapter warlord traits or chapter relics, the Master of the Chapter character would have to be assigned to be the Warlord.
   
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STEP1. Buy the officer bodies.
Each officer is the thing itself. A lieutenant, for example, gives reroll of 1's in a six inch bubble aura to wound attempts.
A captain gives reroll 1's in a similar bubble to hit attempts.
A librarian casts 2 and denies 1 psyekr power, and knows 2 (and smite).
1A. Pay extra to upgrade these guys to be masters of the chapter level officers. (This usually gets done before 2,3,4, because it alters their options)
You can spend more points to upgrade one of each type of officer's abilities inherent in each model. These are the masters of the chapter, and basically, you are sayign "this guy isn't just my captain he is the most famousest captain in the whole marine chapter I play, and he has some special ability as a result."
So 40 points raises a captain to have the chapter master power (of granting 1 unit full reroll to hit) in addition to the basic captain power of reroll 1's to any (chapter, core) in a six inch aura bubble. 20 points lets a chapter ancient grant 1 unit near him +1 to melee attacks, which is sweet, in addition to his usual ancient's banner ability.
Upgrading to a "master of the chapter" level officer also unlocks a special, specific warlord trait (that only he can take) and a special, spcific special relic that only he can take. It doesn't pay command points for the strategems to take these items, nor does it make him your Warlord capital W who might could get both for free, if he wished.
1B. Named officers can't be upgraded further -- they are already special abilities baked in, and relic items baked in, for the price you already paid. Note they can be The Warlord and if so get the free warlord trait that is listed on their stat sheet, specifically. This is not a mandatory choice for taking them.
STEP2. Pick one as THE Warlord. This is the one that your enemy may want to kill to get victory points for whacking a warlord.
ONE guy gets picked as the free Warlord, and you can give him a warlord trait cause he is Warlord, and he is given a relic that either he or someone else (character from marines) can use.
STEP3. Requistion (pay command points to use strategems to buy) up to 2 more relics and 2 more warlord traits.
At 2000 points level, 2 and 2 requistions are allowed. ... so ...
You can requisition up to 2 OTHER relics, but nobody can get more than 1, and no named character can be relic enhanced, as their relics are baked in.
Then you can requistion up to 2 other warlord traits, on characters who do not as yet have one.
STEP4. Enhance THE Warlord with a Second Warlord trait (also a cp cost strategem)
Then you could if you want requistion an extra warlord trait (from the chapter's list) with a strategem for the Warlord, capital W. This gives him two, but limits the scope of the second one to fit the chapter.


Did that clarify or make worse your confusion?
Example. I spend 45 extra points and 4 cp to get them all upgraded this far, in my army, from the basic 4 officers.
My own marine army (ravengaurd) has
Named guy Kayvan Shrike. Not the warlord, but still decent, and a cheap chaptermaster.
A lieutenant with a requistion warlord trait
A chaplain with the master of sanctity (master of chapter) upgrade and a warlord trait requistion and a relic requistion
My WARLORD, who is a company ancient with the chapter ancient (master of the chapter) upgrade and the restricted to chapter ancient relic, and the restricted to chapter ancient warlord trait. He is further upgraded with the ravengaurd "give my warlord a second trait" strat called "master of the trifold path" which he uses to be a "master of ambush (eg, a ravengaurd chapter secific trait) guy.






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I tried to follow what you said Dukeofstuff and I got confused even though I understand how it all works. So for the original poster, here's my take on this I hope is less confusing.

Chapter Command: When you promote a character to a Master of the Chapter roll the following happens:
  • The model gains the specific ability of the Master of the Chapter, such as a Chapter Master gaining the Chapter Master ability
  • You are allowed to give the character a specific Warlord Trait instead of a normal warlord trait
  • You are able to give the character a specific relic instead of a normal relic
  • Note that for the Warlord Trait and Relic, you still must select that character to receive them by normal means before you can select their special option.

    Warlord: Each army must select one model to be it's warlord. I that model is a character, it gains a Warlord Trait. As noted above, if that character is a Chapter Command unit, you may select the special Chapter Command Warlord Trait instead of a Space Marine Warlord Trait.

    Relic: Each army may select a character of the same faction of its warlord and assign that character a relic. If that character is a Chapter Command character, it may be the special Chapter Command relic instead of a Space Marine Relic.

    Extra Warlord Traits: You may use the Hero of the Chapter stratagem to assign a warlord trait to additional characters. Again, if that character is a Chapter Command unit, you may select the special Chapter Command Warlord Trait instead of a Space Marine Warlord Trait.

    Extra Relics: You may use the Relics of the Chapter stratagem to assign relics to additional characters. Again, if that character is a Chapter Command unit, you may select the special Chapter Command Relic instead of a Space Marine Relic.

    Other Stratagems: Blood Angels have the Angel Exemplar stratagem that allow you to assign a second Warlord trait to your Warlord. They also have the Angel Ascendant Stratagem that allows you to give a Relic to a unit Sergeant.

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    Thank you all for clearing this up for me.
       
     
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