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Hey guys.

If i fight a Necron guy, kill a character in CC who then uses ressurrection protocol, how does that work exactly? I mean its done at the end of the phase, so if he uses it in the fight phase, and ive consolidated over his body, does that mean he cant use it? Or does he just magically teleport to the closest point? What if i have surrounded him with my 30 boyz? Would he then just teleport over 15 inches before being ressurrected? that doesnt sound fair.


How does it work with Assassination? Do i get the points for killing him the first time and the second time after he ressurrected? Or do i only get assassination points after he died fully the second time?

The same question goes for titan hunter when you fight Knights who can do the same thing.


Also if i use "Get stuck in Ladz" which allows me to pick a unit in CC, by the end of the fight phase, that unit can fight again, does his ressurrection protocol happen before my ability to fight again or do i fight first before he ressurrects? Both stratagems are used by the end of the fight phase.

Further more when i use Get stuck in Ladz:

I charge a unit, i kill said unit, i consolidate in to an enemy unit i didnt charge.
He hits me back.
Now i use Get stuck in Ladz, am i then allowed to hit his units i consolidated in to? Because i did not declare a charge against him

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I've no idea about your rules question, it just tickled me. Whatever the correct procedure I hope it makes sense with the fluff

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I'm fairly certain RP is the last thing to happen in the round, as you cannot RP until the unit is declared dead, and that is the second to last thing to occur.
   
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Resurrected Necron characters show up as close as possible to their original position whilst being outside of combat range. That potentially means that they get a bit of free movement, but the Necron player has no real control over the situation so it would be hard to take advantage.

Rules that allow units to somehow survive being reduced to zero wounds usually have wording that makes it clear that they do not count as having been killed for rules purposes until they are finished off for good.

As for abilities that allow units to attack again at the end of the fight phase... I think this might actually work. The Necron unit is set up at the end of the fight phase and the Ork stratagem can be used at the end of the fight phase. If you are the active player then you can pick the sequencing for actions that happen at the same time, so you can declare your stratagem, force the Necron to resurrect first, pile into him and attack. Not 100% sure about that one but it seems possible.

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Beardedragon wrote:

If i fight a Necron guy, kill a character in CC who then uses ressurrection protocol, how does that work exactly? I mean its done at the end of the phase, so if he uses it in the fight phase, and ive consolidated over his body, does that mean he cant use it? Or does he just magically teleport to the closest point? What if i have surrounded him with my 30 boyz? Would he then just teleport over 15 inches before being ressurrected? that doesnt sound fair.


The resurrected character is set up as close as possible to the point where he was killed, and more than 1" away from any enemy models. If thats 15" away, then its 15".

RESURRECTION PROTOCOLS
Use this Stratagem in any phase, when a NECRONS INFANTRY NOBLE or NECRONS INFANTRY CRYPTEK model from your army is destroyed. You can choose to roll one D6 at the end of the phase instead of using any rules that are triggered when that model is destroyed (e.g. the Surrogate Hosts abilities). If you do, then on a 4+, set that model back up on the battlefield as close as possible to where they were destroyed and more than 1" away from any enemy models, with D3 wounds remaining. This Stratagem cannot be used to set the same model back up more than once per battle.


Beardedragon wrote:

How does it work with Assassination? Do i get the points for killing him the first time and the second time after he ressurrected? Or do i only get assassination points after he died fully the second time?


If he resurrects, you can score Assassinate again.

ASSASSINATE
Score 3 victory points at the end of the battle for each enemy CHARACTER model that is destroyed.


Beardedragon wrote:

Also if i use "Get stuck in Ladz" which allows me to pick a unit in CC, by the end of the fight phase, that unit can fight again, does his ressurrection protocol happen before my ability to fight again or do i fight first before he ressurrects? Both stratagems are used by the end of the fight phase.


If two or more rules would happen at the same time sequencing would come into play and the player whose turn it is decides the order how to resolve those rules. So you could resurrect the character, and kill him again.

SEQUENCING
While playing Warhammer 40,000, you’ll occasionally find that two or more rules are to be resolved at the same time – e.g. ‘at the start of the battle round’ or ‘at the end of the Fight phase’. When this happens during the battle, the player whose turn it is chooses the order. If these things occur before or after the battle, or at the start or end of a battle round, the players roll off and the winner decides in what order the rules are resolved.


Beardedragon wrote:

I charge a unit, i kill said unit, i consolidate in to an enemy unit i didnt charge.
He hits me back.
Now i use Get stuck in Ladz, am i then allowed to hit his units i consolidated in to? Because i did not declare a charge against him



No, you can only attack units which you declared a charge upon.

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Doesnt the stratagem that allows you to attack once again get kind of useless when you can only use it on enemies you charged? Usually those enemies died in the first charge.

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Beardedragon wrote:
Doesnt the stratagem that allows you to attack once again get kind of useless when you can only use it on enemies you charged? Usually those enemies died in the first charge.


I’d say it’s a very useful strategem, but it is situational. Which I think is a good thing for strategems, you don’t have to spend the CPs on it if you aren’t able to take advantage of it, and you get to wait and see if you destroy the unit you charged before deciding if you will spend the CPs.

That being said, it can be useful even if you destroy the unit you initially charged. If you successfully multi-charged you an focus all your attacks on one target unit before playing the strategem and attacking the other unit you charged.

Also, if a unit charged it still activates when there are no units within engagement range. So if you destroy the initial target of the charge and nothing else is in engagement range, you can activate the unit and still pile in, possibly tying up a unit in your opponent’s next shooting phase, or if there are no enemy units nearby you get a pile in and a consolidate move, so your unit gets an additional 6” move (admittedly it must be towards the closest enemy unit) but this might be very useful, such as allowing you to move the unit onto an objective or into cover etc.

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Beardedragon wrote:
Doesnt the stratagem that allows you to attack once again get kind of useless when you can only use it on enemies you charged? Usually those enemies died in the first charge.

Try multicharging! Attacks kill the first unit then second attacks kill another
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Beardedragon wrote:
Doesnt the stratagem that allows you to attack once again get kind of useless when you can only use it on enemies you charged? Usually those enemies died in the first charge.

Try multicharging! Attacks kill the first unit then second attacks kill another


Of course you have to reach all the units you charge before making that first attack for the charge to be a success, unlike the previous edition where you only needed to engage one of the units you declared a charge against.
   
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 p5freak wrote:


Beardedragon wrote:

How does it work with Assassination? Do i get the points for killing him the first time and the second time after he ressurrected? Or do i only get assassination points after he died fully the second time?


If he resurrects, you can score Assassinate again.

ASSASSINATE
Score 3 victory points at the end of the battle for each enemy CHARACTER model that is destroyed.



You score points for Assassinate by checking for how many characters are currently destroyed at the end of the game, so you wouldn't get double points for killing the resurrected model twice. You don't get points for each character you kill throughout the game.

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True. So you can only score it once.
   
 
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