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can you do it? the rule says pick a friendly grey knights unit within 18" from the psyker, but can you choose the same unit?

 ashikenshin wrote:
can you do it? the rule says pick a friendly grey knights unit within 18" from the psyker, but can you choose the same unit?

A unit is friendly to themselves, so yes.

thx! yeah I figured as much but there was the lingering doubt.

There was a bit of contention on this forum as to whether or not a unit can cast psychic powers on itself, and whether or not a unit can be considered within a certain range of itself.

I hold that you can.

 MinMax wrote:
There was a bit of contention on this forum as to whether or not a unit can cast psychic powers on itself, and whether or not a unit can be considered within a certain range of itself.

I hold that you can.

Why would there be anyone saying that? As long as the keywords are correct, a unit is definitely within range of its own psychic powers with a range like astral aim.

Grey Knights Codex, Astral Aim Psychic power wrote:
...pick a friendly GREY KNIGHTS unit within 18" of the psyker.

The unit that cast the power is definitely not more than 18 inches away from itself.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The unit that cast the power is definitely not more than 18 inches away from itself.

As it happens, I agree completely.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 MinMax wrote:
There was a bit of contention on this forum as to whether or not a unit can cast psychic powers on itself, and whether or not a unit can be considered within a certain range of itself.

I hold that you can.

Why would there be anyone saying that?

Because this is the rules forum and some people will torture the rules into unrecognizable shape to be right.

That being said, 99% of people will agree that a unit is always within range of itself.

I believe the "Aura Abilities" section of the rules is meant to cover this case and allow a unit to cast a psychic power on itself, but now that some abilities are explicitly labelled with "[AURA]," GW has left room for interpretation.

Agreed that there's nearly unanimous support for allowing the caster to self-target, but it's probably deserving of an FAQ entry.


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Also interestingly, in the case of a multi-model unit of psykers, I don't think there's any doubt that the RAW allow the unit to self-target.

No theirs no room for interpretation there is no requirement for an aura to be tagged by aura this has come up in a number of threads recently

It must be within 18", which you can indeed prove very easily.

U02dah4 wrote:
No theirs no room for interpretation there is no requirement for an aura to be tagged by aura this has come up in a number of threads recently

Even if its tagged with (Aura), we dont know what this (Aura) is supposed to do. The rules dont define it. If its supposed to tag an aura ability it should say so on p .202, but it doesnt.

Not everything that affects an area or can affect one thing in an area is an Aura.

See Contagions. I’m sure other rules will similarly be AOE not-auras as more codices come out.

To clarify why I say I think the "Aura abilities" section is intended to cover this case, in 6th and 7th edition, psychic powers that could target friendly units were called "blessings," and the rules for blessings stated that the psyker could self-cast blessings.

In 8th, they got rid of the classifications of psychic powers, but there was a note under the heading "aura abilities" that said that units were within range of their own abilities unless specified otherwise.

The 9th edition text for "aura abilities" is roughly the same, except now some abilities are explicitly labeled as "(aura)," which makes it less clear as to whether or abilities that don't have "(aura)" should be able to self target (especially in the new 9th edition codices).

However there's basically no way that this was supposed to be a change in the way the game works, so for all intents and purposes it's best to play it that psykers can self-target.

Which they can, because they are within the range specified.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Which they can, because they are within the range specified.

Why don't you just go read the old thread if you want to have this argument again?

Not having an argument - making a statement
They are categorically within the range specified, as they are not more than the distance.

Please don't make this another 6 page thread about a rule that everyone agrees is self targetable....