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Hello, im new to this forum and in the hobby in general

Im not planing to play tournaments, but for beer and pretzels
My problem is the theorycrafting and i would love some advice on kitting a decent list, that as said, is enough for friendly rounds, but doesnt have to be a tryhard tournament list
I like to work with proxys, that look the part

So what do i own

HQ:
- Lazarus/Azrael (Lazarus wich i will be kit into a "primaris" version of Azrael)
- Belial
- Primaris Captain with Relic shield and Power Sword (might be used as a simple bladeguard proxy (more at Elites))
- Ravenwing Talonmaster
- Interogator Chaplain (kittet with jumppack and Teeth of Terra
- Primaris Chaplain
- Primaris Chaplain on Bike
- Primaris Librarian (will be kittet into Ezekiel)
- Primaris Lieutennent with relic shield and plasma pistol (might be used as bladeguard proxy)

TROOPS:
- 3x5 Primaris Intercessor
- 3x5 Primaris Assault Intercessor

ELITE:
- 3x Aggressor with boltgauntlets and fragstorm grenade launcher
- Bladeguard ancient (might be used as bladeguard proxy)
- 2x3 Bladeguards or 3x3 bladeguards (if i use the captain, lieutennent and ancient as bladeguard proxys)
- Judicar
(- Primaris Apothecary
- 2x3 Ravenwing Blackknights (kittet from primaris outriders))
-ravenwing apothecary (might combine the primaris apothecary with a primaris outrider)
-Redemptor Dreadnaught with macro plasma, onslaught gattling and fragstorm grenade launcher
- 2 unbuild boxes of Deathwing command squads (might be build into Deathwing Knights?)

HEAVY SUPPORT:
- 2x3 Eradicator with heavy Melter and Multimelter
- Eliminator Squad with Lasfussiles

TRANSPORT:
- Impulsor

Thats about 3,6K worth of Points...

I pretty much have an idear what im going to play in a 2000P matchup, but what would be a nice list for a 1000P game?

Thanks in advance for helping this noob out and feel free to give any advice you may have, as you are probably more expirienced than me anyways ^^

Hq Ravenwing Talonmaster are good for its points.

The primaris chaplain on bike is another good hq.

I dont have much experience with 1000points lists, but why not take 2x3 rw black knights. Dont they receive objective secured?



Then anchor the army with your 10 terminators, backed by an apotechary.

It sort of plays to DA strengths.

 triplegrim wrote:
Hq Ravenwing Talonmaster are good for its points.

The primaris chaplain on bike is another good hq.

I dont have much experience with 1000points lists, but why not take 2x3 rw black knights. Dont they receive objective secured?



Then anchor the army with your 10 terminators, backed by an apotechary.

It sort of plays to DA strengths.

Black knights only gain obsec if you have a Rights of War trait nearby. Otherwise, only Bike Squads and Outrider Squads gain obsec in outrider detachments, only Terminator Squads, assault terminator squads, and deathwing terminator squads gain it in vanguard (so DW knights also need Rights of War)

My Problem is, that im quite unsure about the amount of troops i should include for objectives

Also, a vanguard detachment would be quite effektiv for lots of elites, but then again no troops

At the Moment im thinking

Deathwing vanguard detachment

Hq
Azrael as warlord
Talonmaster with arbiters gaze

Elites
Ravenwing apothecary with selfless healer (i might kit the primaris apo and combine him with an primaris outrider to do a ravenwing apo kitbash)
5 blacknights with corvus hammer
And 6 bladeguards (captain with volkite)
And 3 bladeguards (captain with volkite)

Thats 995P and 7CP

But i think this might be a bit to few units with the lack of mobility :/