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Sorry if this has already been asked. I didn't see any threads related to it on the first page.

Basically, the Cursed Blade obsession lets a succubus inflict a mortal wound on her attacker each time she makes a save of 6+ in melee (4+ with the right warlord trait). Does this mean that you have to roll her saves one at a time to avoid taking saves after she would have died? And how does this work if I somehow give her a Feel No Pain on top of those saves (via Crusade battle traits or something).

So for instance, my succubus starts the fight phase with 1 wound remaining. A squad of ork boyz make 10 successful to-wound rolls (all with Damage 1 weapons). I need to roll the resulting saves one at a time, right? Because if the first save failed, she would be dead and unable to inflict mortal wounds by making additional saves. And again, how would I then handle feel no pain rolls? Would I switch back and forth between saves and FNPs until she died?

It's essentially the buckler rule some AoS units have. In 8th, I played the weaker version of this rule (taking saves one at a time) just to be on the safe side and avoid cheating my opponent. But now the rule is present on every Cursed Blade wych in my army, so I thought I ought to finally nail down the proper way to handle it. (And my main rulebook is hidden in storage somewhere. )

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RAW you have to roll any saves one at a time. The rules do not allow for fast rolling of saves, only hit rolls and wound rolls can be fast rolled (BRB P. 221).

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There are many situations where it is better to just slow-roll, as fast-rolling makes assumptions.
When it comes to trying to determine the correct resolution in these situations - resort to slow rolling.

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Saves don’t come under Fast Rolling rules. A lot of gamers use fast rolling here and declare the order they’ll remove models in, in situations where attacks do identical damage or where they can process in order, but that’s a convention not the rules. And if something might interrupt and kill the attacker you absolutely must roll normally. It’s not slow rolling. It’s rolling normally.

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Generally what I do is just roll a number of dice equal to what could potentially kill the model. For example, if ive got a bunch of cursed blade hellions and I know theyve got 20 wounds, I wont roll more than 20 save dice at a time. For a succubus that likely means a couple rolling steps just to make sure I dont deal bonus MWs to an opponent.

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