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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak





So, i am searching around a bit for a potential army for WAP, and thought to myself, why not make one based on hoplites, well specifically undead hoplites.

Wargames atlantic has a nice enough kit, the only issue is m i'd prefer them a bit more... armored. So has anyone knowledge of armored hoplite plastic kits which i may could butcher for kitbashing?

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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In heroic scale only ones that spring to mind are Warlord Games;
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/aegean-states/products/greeks-ancient-greek-hoplites?variant=31468931842128
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/aegean-states/products/greeks-classical-greek-hoplites?variant=31468936233040
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/aegean-states/products/spartans-hoplites?variant=31468938756176

They also do a skeleton range with Hoplon and spear but they are unarmoured;
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/warlords-of-erehwon/products/skeleton-warriors

Victrix has loads as well but they tend to be more true scale.

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Made in ch
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Now i'd only need a size comparison between some warlord games minis and some empire minis.

Then i probably can plan on how many skeletons i need to buy to make the army undead... and then i probably need to consider where i can find the bits and bobs needed..

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Cant help you with the rest though

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From experience, Victrix are not true scale - at least their older ancient Greek range isn't. They tend towards the chunkier 'pronounced features' aspect rather than being anatamocially correct. Their newer Macedonian range is better as it's CAD designed and closer to true proportions - but the range of poses is far more limited and so is their equipment. The main problem you'll have is that their general scale (i.e overall size, not anatomical proportions) is small (Although, no smaller than any of GW's Middle Earth miniatures).

I'd steer clear of Warlord Games, if only for the fact that I find their offerings not quite as detailed as Victrix, and Victrix offer a more comprehensive range to choose from (Also, some of their unarmoured hoplite sets give you about 60 minis for £30/$51, which is basically $1 per mini to Warlord Games $2 per mini).

A caveat for converting from Victrix (Or WLG) is that if you want bronze cuirassed troops - you only get a few per box. I think it's something like 4 out of 12 on a sprue is bronze cuirass, the rest are linothorax (linen/leather).

There aren't any other plastic hoplites out there if my memory serves me well. Anyway, here's a scale shot of Victrix hoplites against a range of GW minis you may be familiar with. Also, a Perry Miniatures Samurai and a Star Wars: Legion Clone Trooper. I've tried to level the bases for a better comparison. Wargames Atlantic hoplites look to be slimmer and perhaps a bit taller, but I have none to compare for you.



From Left to Right the hoplites are: Macedonian Hypaspists, Athenian Hoplites (In reality the Victrix boxes are different only in helmet styles, and Spartans *only* wearing Pilos helmets is a historical fallacy) and finally one from the Unarmoured Hoplite box.

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Well, since i anyways inteend to crossbreed wargames atlantic skeletons and i already got to see combinations of them with victrix armoured hoplites, i guess that'd be a way forward.

Otoh, i have easier access via my local FLG to warlord gaming hoplites.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in ch
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Well, atleast i know now that i can use just Pike and Shotte for bits for empire forces... Now where do i find artillery....

Has been rather enlightening so far, which reminds me, there's still some players out there for 9th community made and older editions, but what do people use to fill their ranks nowadays without GW?
Skeletons come to mind in general, Erowin ones come to mind but what else is there?

Edit: Also exchanged title to maybee collect decent alternative links to models for WHFB-

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Re: artillery:
Warlord, and most other sellers of early modern pike and shot models usually have artillery.
Plastic
https://store.warlordgames.com/products/wss-artillery-battery?_pos=2&_sid=309f2d535&_ss=r
Metal mortar:
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/pike-shotte/products/royalist-parliamentarian-mortar?variant=31468967657552

Metal cannon:
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/pike-shotte/products/royalist-parliamentarian-saker-cannon?variant=31468966510672

Not hellblasters:
https://store.warlordgames.com/products/swedish-leather-gun?_pos=18&_sid=704dd1162&_ss=r&variant=31469020643408
https://store.warlordgames.com/products/scots-covenanter-frame-gun?_pos=16&_sid=704dd1162&_ss=r&variant=31468963201104

I also know westfallia has a more fantasyish one if you don't mind halfling crew:
https://www.westfaliaminiatures.com/product-page/halfling-organ-gun

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Much appreciated, albeit i am a bit concerned on warlords historicals for size..

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Foundry do some pretty decent artillery if you like the old 4th edition metal style.

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 ingtaer wrote:
Foundry do some pretty decent artillery if you like the old 4th edition metal style.


interesting..

There seem more things out there that i didn't find.

BTW has anyone had any good Khemrian construct alternatives?

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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The best I have seen are;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ttcombatundead/desert-of-the-dead-fantasy-wargaming-miniatures/

Though I dont think they are at retail yet (at least I couldnt find them) but as the Kickstarter is fully delivered I cant imagine it will be too long if they are not.

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Well... that settles that question. This thread has become a treasure trove for ideas...

Has anyone any ideas in regards to fireforge?
It seems atleast to me that the fantasy range from them has some decent sized modells.


As an aside, the newer Mantic models do look rather snazy, especially fond i am of the gobbos.
https://blog.untilsomebodylosesaneye.net/2021/03/these-two-things-are-not-quite-same.html

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CDEjf4jnbba/

not plastic, but seems pretty close to what you want. Also, I checked on their store and it doesn't seem like they've actually finished the design phase and have them in production, but one to watch, perhaps?
   
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Perry Miniatures also do a considerable number of artillery pieces from most of their ranges, with styles ranging from the earliest bombards right up to 19th Century Armstrong breech-loaders. And Victrix do plastic sets of British and French Napo artillery - 3 guns per set.

I'm not sure about the scale of Fireforge, but if you like that sort of 11th-13th century aesthetic, I can highly recommend V&V Miniatures. They're a Ukranian company, their sculpts and casting are superb and the only downside is the 3 weeks of frantic waiting for them to arrive!


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posermcbogus wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/CDEjf4jnbba/

not plastic, but seems pretty close to what you want. Also, I checked on their store and it doesn't seem like they've actually finished the design phase and have them in production, but one to watch, perhaps?


Much appreciated poser

Warpig1815 wrote:Perry Miniatures also do a considerable number of artillery pieces from most of their ranges, with styles ranging from the earliest bombards right up to 19th Century Armstrong breech-loaders. And Victrix do plastic sets of British and French Napo artillery - 3 guns per set.

I'm not sure about the scale of Fireforge, but if you like that sort of 11th-13th century aesthetic, I can highly recommend V&V Miniatures. They're a Ukranian company, their sculpts and casting are superb and the only downside is the 3 weeks of frantic waiting for them to arrive!



Interesting. will remember that


Anyways. I dug up my old Chaos warriors army.
Spoiler:



yeah the good, basically all stuff is holding up, and i already cleaned, fixed up and sprayed the bunch.
the bad news are: well i only rock half an exalted champion, can't find the rest.... So i started looking for bits a bit stumbled over the varanguard kit and thought to myself, i always wanted a daemonic horse for a chaos lord option, checked the price .... yikes, for one i' think the kit looks awesome, otoh 3 dudes for 80Euros`?`?

Can atleast someone verify the size of the bits or am i better off just buying another box of chaos knights and turning the exalted hero into a army standard bearer?

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
 
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