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I literally skipped all of 3rd edition because I hated how it does army comp, I am onboard for 4th so far.

I'm a bit sad that some units can't do 2 reinforcements to go to 30 infantry/15 cavalry (on average); but losing the reinforcement limit in itself is a big positive in my view.

I got why they did it, but on top of everything else it felt really over-done so dialling it back is a boon in my view.

We wait to see if any units or armies get special rules that let them double reinforce (which is something I hoped we'd have seen in 3rd edition but we didn't)

I wish they had kept the tabbard thing from the old Liberators and kept closer to the original helmet style, now they're "just" Vindicators with different weapons. Still an improvement though!

Reinforcement was a stupid mechanic and I would have liked to just see it go away.

So GW has repurposed the warband army construction rules from 5th edition WFB's Realms of Chaos?

Porting over for the new page. Also these are damn gorgeous.

Those hammers are so stupid big. Makes them look like kids toys. Comic hammers kind of worked on the older ones because everything was so chunky, but they just look awful on the newer slimmer Stormcast.

New helmets are a definite downgrade. The rivets make it look too brutish compared to the rest of their armor.

 Gallahad wrote:
Those hammers are so stupid big.

Welcome to warhammer, enjoy your stay.

Not particularly exciting imo, show the new ratmen already.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sorry for the crap-o-vision. My iPad and instagram conspire to pixelate screen grabs.

But more Liberators.

Hammers to them look like those toy Hulk Fists to a random kid to scale.

I like that the hammers are somewhat less stylised, and more practical looking. Proper squishy.

 Gallahad wrote:
Those hammers are so stupid big. Makes them look like kids toys. Comic hammers kind of worked on the older ones because everything was so chunky, but they just look awful on the newer slimmer Stormcast.

New helmets are a definite downgrade. The rivets make it look too brutish compared to the rest of their armor.

Yeah I have to agree. The old design was much more balanced with the oversized hammers. Also the smaller shields make them look even less bulky.

Greathammer is good though, and bare head is good too.

 stahly wrote:
I wish they had kept the tabbard thing from the old Liberators and kept closer to the original helmet style, now they're "just" Vindicators with different weapons. Still an improvement though!

Exactly my thoughts. I'm not calling them an improvement, they are now a sidegrade.

Those inflatable hammer will have to be replaced with some downscaled versions. Nothing a couple hours of printing won't solve.

 Gallahad wrote:
Those hammers are so stupid big. Makes them look like kids toys. Comic hammers kind of worked on the older ones because everything was so chunky, but they just look awful on the newer slimmer Stormcast.

New helmets are a definite downgrade. The rivets make it look too brutish compared to the rest of their armor.

I'm with you on the hammers. It makes me wish they still had the sword option just to go with something a little different aesthetically.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Porting over for the new page. Also these are damn gorgeous.

Seeing these in the Hallowed Heart paintjob just makes me want Chaos Stormcast. Look at those hammers! Perfect for doing the good work of Archaeon!

 rybackstun wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Porting over for the new page. Also these are damn gorgeous.

Seeing these in the Hallowed Heart paintjob just makes me want Chaos Stormcast. Look at those hammers! Perfect for doing the good work of Archaeon!

Can you sort me an appointment with an optician, please? I just eye-rolled so hard I think my optic nerves detached.

 Dysartes wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Porting over for the new page. Also these are damn gorgeous.

Seeing these in the Hallowed Heart paintjob just makes me want Chaos Stormcast. Look at those hammers! Perfect for doing the good work of Archaeon!

Can you sort me an appointment with an optician, please? I just eye-rolled so hard I think my optic nerves detached.

God forbid someone enjoys themself

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sorry for the crap-o-vision. My iPad and instagram conspire to pixelate screen grabs.

But more Liberators.

the two hammers and grandhammer options look a lot better than the shield option imo

 Shakalooloo wrote:
So GW has repurposed the warband army construction rules from 5th edition WFB's Realms of Chaos?

More likely from the current hit fantasy wargame Conquest

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 rybackstun wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Porting over for the new page. Also these are damn gorgeous.

Seeing these in the Hallowed Heart paintjob just makes me want Chaos Stormcast. Look at those hammers! Perfect for doing the good work of Archaeon!

Can you sort me an appointment with an optician, please? I just eye-rolled so hard I think my optic nerves detached.

God forbid someone enjoys themself

Indeed, Sigmar does forbid it. Self-enjoyment is the path to Slaanesh, according to the priests.

I just keep thinking about my mate's old, old High Elf army from the WHFB days. Level 4 Champion riding a Dragon that was a Level 4 mage, and 4 more dragons. That was it. Tournament legal and super beardy.

It seems that this may become something of a thing again.

I do like the idea of a Skaven Warlord on a Hamster Ball of Doom and another 8-15 of them wandering around the battlefield causing all sorts of chaos.

I'm all on board with making a Jurassic Park list for me! but didn't they say that now you can only reinforce twice?

Also a mate says that the auxilary stuff and such is a port of the worst rule of MESBG. Never tried that game so I'd like to read more output on that.

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In regards to new army building, it looks like they copied their homework from MESBG which is fun.

Command points are a scarce resource in this edition. There isn’t a single warscroll or faction ability in the game that gives you additional points”.

Yet. While this is great to hear, I have little faith that they will stick to this rule.

On top of your regiments, you’ll also be picking your subfaction. These are now called battle formations, which have been refocused around the fighting style of an army rather than their specific background. This invites players to mix and match a battle formation with their favourite colour scheme and any unique heroes they like.

I may be misreading this, but does this mean that the Hammers of Sigmar near monopoly on Special Characters is over? My Knights Excelsior can take a Bastian Carthalos and benefit from his abilities? I guess we won’t know until we see his new warscroll. Really opens up the possibilities for new conversions/paint schemes.

Haven’t been this pumped for AoS in months. Ready to dive right into this new addition. Though, there is a part of me anxious about stuff (mainly BoC in my case) getting purged. If they are going to do it, a reboot like this is the time.

Likely works like 40k. So only knight excelsior specific would be special characters which you can't mix(or maybe you can). Eithei way no special rule by being knight excelsior

its not quite a lift & drop from MESBG, there a hero can bring a variable number of followers (zero in some cases, upto about 18 normally, a few are higher)

and there is no limit of how many warbands you can bring either.

plus models are brought as individual followers so no "reinforcement" mechanic, indeed models act as individuals with some ways to support each other

had a look at this and went "meah", seems GW have gone with "whats the least effort to write"

 nels1031 wrote:
I may be misreading this, but does this mean that the Hammers of Sigmar near monopoly on Special Characters is over? My Knights Excelsior can take a Bastian Carthalos and benefit from his abilities? I guess we won’t know until we see his new warscroll. Really opens up the possibilities for new conversions/paint schemes.

Sounds a lot like the way they're handling Space Marines.