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2024/03/04 17:58:52
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 201)
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Preening Primacii 4th Gen Neophyte
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Fayric wrote:Darkoath looks really tempting.
Looks like a classic set up with a fun supplement a few months prior to a new edition, and then they make the fluffy rules obsolete for 4th edition and make it impossible to run a pure Darkoath list.
if 4th edition was going to be a major rules reset like 10th edition 40k was, we would already be hearing rumors about that. it's going to be a case like 2nd to 3rd edition where all the same books are playable until they're replaced later, meaning this supplement is going to be playable until Slaves to Darkness get their new army book (and that's probably going to have greater rules support for Darkoath now that they're a distinct range within the range)
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2024/03/04 18:32:15
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Goddamnit, finally some half decent horses and they just had to cover the heads with Chaos armour.
Guess I'll have to print some replacements.
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2024/03/04 18:35:16
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Mad Gyrocopter Pilot
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Wow fair play, those are excellent minis. AoS has really been knocking it for six of late.
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2024/03/04 18:48:12
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 201)
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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StudentOfEtherium wrote: Fayric wrote:Darkoath looks really tempting.
Looks like a classic set up with a fun supplement a few months prior to a new edition, and then they make the fluffy rules obsolete for 4th edition and make it impossible to run a pure Darkoath list.
if 4th edition was going to be a major rules reset like 10th edition 40k was, we would already be hearing rumors about that. it's going to be a case like 2nd to 3rd edition where all the same books are playable until they're replaced later, meaning this supplement is going to be playable until Slaves to Darkness get their new army book (and that's probably going to have greater rules support for Darkoath now that they're a distinct range within the range)
We will just have to wait and see. Perhaps this supplement will not be obsolete at the same time they drop 4th, but I would not expect any special batallions or rules from it to last long. GW quickly get bored with supplement rules and fluffy ad ons. sooner rather than later they will just have the units struggle with minor token rules.
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2024/03/04 18:58:36
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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The "supplement" is likely the same as the Ironjawz got with the Dawnbringer book that added the Baconators. Some new traits, the units, and an army of renown that lets you field just those things.
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2024/03/04 19:32:21
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Terrifying Doombull
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Nice stuff.
Very nice stuff, actually.
I'd guess that the next time the StD army book comes around, these will get worked in and the current marauders will get banished to TOW.
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2024/03/04 20:10:29
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 201)
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Lieutenant General
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Shakalooloo wrote: nels1031 wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:Yes please to all these barbarians! I don't care for the monster dude personally, but I do wonder what other heads the bossman has available.
One is a spiked skull mask/helmet as pictured on pg 201.
Hmm, neither looks particularly exciting to me. Fingers crossed that door number 3 has something I like better.
I would assume it's these three options from today's article:
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2024/03/04 20:11:50
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Bloodtracker
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Am I the only one that sees Dothraki warriors? Not complaining though, probably that's the reason I like them so much.
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2024/03/04 20:17:18
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Savage Minotaur
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straken619 wrote:Am I the only one that sees Dothraki warriors? Not complaining though, probably that's the reason I like them so much.
Too much armor for Dothraki, at least when compared to what I believe is the more book accurate adaptation of Dothraki in CMON's ASOIAF tabletop game.
Funnily enough though, the Ravagers subfaction in Slaves to Darkness allows Darkoath keyword units to respawn after they are destroyed, much like the Dothraki in GoT season 8 where they just kept respawning as the deplorable plot needed.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
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2024/03/04 20:45:09
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Not darkoath related, but has GW stopped selling the plastic greyseer? It’s one of the more “recent” skaven models so I’d be surprised if it was getting redone
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2024/03/04 20:46:42
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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It's part of vanquard. Irritating habit gw got recently. Lock characters to vanquard.
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109 |
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2024/03/04 22:40:58
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 201)
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Ghaz wrote:
I would assume it's these three options from today's article:
Yeah, they added that image since I first read the article and now I look like a fool!
Mempo-face also does nothing for me. Looks like the hair is part of the modelsince it's on all the heads, so any alterative face may need to work around that, or else re-work a lot of musculature if cutting away the mane.
EDIT: Erk! He also has no nipples!!!
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2024/03/04 23:42:42
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 201)
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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That’s what chaos does to you; probably all three just migrated onto the other side.
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2024/03/05 01:46:19
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That's a great barbarian chieftain.
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2024/03/05 06:29:43
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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great release. My minor quibble is that, once again, they made a new bespoken unit for something that should have been a chaos spawn
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039 |
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2024/03/05 08:30:49
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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If it was spawn there would be less incentive for players who already have spawn to buy more.
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2024/03/05 10:32:27
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Chaos Spawn is a kind of catch-all term though. It's a bit closer to a racial type than a specific thing.
So this new beast might be a spawn of chaos, but its perhaps stable enough that its a breed/unique creature/type that you can field etc... So it stands alone and gets its own name and so forth.
Much like humans are a creature type, but within that you've got archers, spearmen and so forth in armies.
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2024/03/05 12:37:48
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 201)
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Nice models at first glance. I'm likely going to end up with an infantry box at least.
Shakalooloo wrote: Ghaz wrote:
I would assume it's these three options from today's article:
Yeah, they added that image since I first read the article and now I look like a fool!
Mempo-face also does nothing for me. Looks like the hair is part of the modelsince it's on all the heads, so any alterative face may need to work around that, or else re-work a lot of musculature if cutting away the mane.
EDIT: Erk! He also has no nipples!!!
Not sure how the hair is going to turn out. Yelly face and grinny face share all strands, but the upper one is missing from masky face.
With a little luck the lower strands are part of the neck or back of the head and detached from the arm as part of the body front jigsaw piece. Might be reasonably easy to just cut them off.
Even if not, with some care it should be possible to quickly and roughly remove most of the hair and shave the connection points down to get a bare arm without any need for sculpting.
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2024/03/05 13:06:26
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Those are nice models. I don't like it that they have decided that all sets will now be mixed between males and females. Seems particularly crazy for tribes whose fighting style relies on physical strength rather than a gun line or something. Might be possible to convert some to males looking at the sculpts.
How much are the new Army Sets these days? Do the army books or whatever that come in the sets have resale value?
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2024/03/05 13:27:11
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Seriously? That again?
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2024/03/05 13:41:01
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Preening Primacii 4th Gen Neophyte
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Gallahad wrote:Those are nice models. I don't like it that they have decided that all sets will now be mixed between males and females. Seems particularly crazy for tribes whose fighting style relies on physical strength rather than a gun line or something. Might be possible to convert some to males looking at the sculpts.
How much are the new Army Sets these days? Do the army books or whatever that come in the sets have resale value?
female strongwomen exist. even if they didn't, in a game with monsters and magic, are you really going to say that women with muscles are too unrealistic?
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2024/03/05 13:49:20
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Foxy Wildborne
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Yea 50% female sculpts is ridiculous, even in egalitarian societies modern archaeology estimates only 30-40% of warriors were female.
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2024/03/05 14:13:05
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Preening Primacii 4th Gen Neophyte
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I don't really care about historical statistics in a fantasy game, but if that's really going to be a sticking point, let's say the extra 10-20% are all canonically transgender women. more representation, and it solves the issue, right!
speaking as a woman in this hobby, more representation of women in models, especially in ranges that aren't exclusively women (AdSor are neat, but feel a bit like "okay, here's your girl toys, different from everyone else"), makes me happy because it makes me feel like there's a place for me in this hobby. I want women to be mixed in with the men, to be a normal thing, but anytime it happens, people start clinging to outdated and sexist gender ideals. things like this are important unless you want this hobby to be exclusively, or near exclusively, men. I want things like this because it makes the hobby feel inviting. expressly saying this representation shouldn't exist has the opposite effect
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2024/03/05 14:19:06
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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I have absolutely no problem with the female barabarians. (dem guns! ) It is funny that the evil forces of Chaos are more progressive in this than elves are, though!
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2024/03/05 14:24:59
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Dakka Veteran
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Modern dayism appeals significantly more to the tourists than it does to the customers, but GW seems to be skilled at picking their spots. Barbarian tribes are represented as having strong warrior women in a lot of things, I just watched Dune speaking of, so that's their in, though three of the five mounted marauders made me laugh.
It's GW's fine line to walk, if they're going to charge $6 per infantry model and $12 per cavalry model, with yearly price increases from there, they can hardly afford to turn off even a small percentage of their whales.
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2024/03/05 14:26:40
Subject: Re:AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Preening Primacii 4th Gen Neophyte
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Shakalooloo wrote:I have absolutely no problem with the female barabarians. (dem guns! ) It is funny that the evil forces of Chaos are more progressive in this than elves are, though!
clearly it's Slaanesh that makes the difference! She Who Thirsts has been warhammer's premier source of diversity since 1988
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2024/03/05 15:27:26
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Option should be axe, mace or any other 1 handed weapon, or a weapon hand to replace the shield, because the way they held spear near the tip is atrocious, they did the same thing to the chaos warrior but that one they looks like they're relaxing/marching, but this one they actually try to fight like that.
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2024/03/05 15:52:22
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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I for one am extremely pleased that there starts to be more equal gender representation in the game. I really hope there will be a mounted Dark Oath war queen too.
I really wish GW continues on this path, and if that makes people who are mad about it to leave, then that certainly will be a big improvement and make the hobby less toxic.
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2024/03/05 16:06:17
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Even way back at the start of AoS it was very clear in the lore and stories (eg the novella) that the Barbarians/Darkoath had a good number of warrior women. Heck I'm reading those early Bretonnia novels right now and even back then the Norscans had warrior women on the battlefield.
It's been long established that their women, esp for Chaos and barbarian groups in GW settings; go to war as much as the men. It's one unit that doesn't really have to change gender display to "fit modern themes" or anything; women appearing in the kit is just balancing it out for what was always there in the lore.
Now if you want a change then the old Bretonnia novels very clearly have male fighters and women only feature on the battlefield as Handmaidens of the Lady. Otherwise they are all men; so the more recent Bretonnia novel with a whole flight of Pegasus rider women and so forth is quite a new concept. Though even then the whole story is set in the Boarder Kingdom region which is renowned for not following normal social values nor rules that the major faction has. So again, we see difference and change which is more just reflecting different areas of the lore that were established decades ago.
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2024/03/05 16:48:20
Subject: AOS N&R (Skaven sprue pg 200, DARKOATH! Pg 203)
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Preening Primacii 4th Gen Neophyte
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Overread wrote:
Now if you want a change then the old Bretonnia novels very clearly have male fighters and women only feature on the battlefield as Handmaidens of the Lady. Otherwise they are all men; so the more recent Bretonnia novel with a whole flight of Pegasus rider women and so forth is quite a new concept. Though even then the whole story is set in the Boarder Kingdom region which is renowned for not following normal social values nor rules that the major faction has. So again, we see difference and change which is more just reflecting different areas of the lore that were established decades ago.
maybe it's just because i'm a Fire Emblem fan, but the trope of pegasus riders being women makes sense to me. within the setting, it works as a way to have the "proper" knights all still be men, but have female representation beyond handmaidens and the like
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