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There are a few shocks in the list of mini’s, but most of it makes sense. IMO, they could’ve went harder into the Stormcast and StD.

Sad to see the BoC go, their recent battletome was pretty wild. I guess it was a last hurrah to bring up sales and it didn’t produce. Fare thee well in TOW!

Bonesplittas was a long time coming.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Huh, i wonder if the Horns of Hashut are being pulled because they're being pushed over into Chaos Dwarves?

I very much doubt it. They're just killing everything from Warcry that isn't pretty new.

Well at least everything being sold out means I’m not dropping $200+ on models

Would be cool if they canonically kill off the squatted SCE characters. Give’s the setting more weight

 The Phazer wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Huh, i wonder if the Horns of Hashut are being pulled because they're being pushed over into Chaos Dwarves?

I very much doubt it. They're just killing everything from Warcry that isn't pretty new.

Well we have very strong reason to believe CD's are coming. So it wouldn't surprise if they're pulling them out for now to re-organise. And they're a release that came from the current edition.

I wish I have loaded upon skaven awhile back for TOW. Clanrats and stormvermin, as well as some characters will probably get replaced with something similar, but not sure it will be better (just like the boyz for orks)

Savage orcs- damn.. Old World Rebox maybe? Lack of any mention of that in their column (unlike the beastmen) is veryyyy worrying. It’s weird as well, as savage orcs are quite unique. More so than “kruleboyz” or “not black orcs” which look generic as all gak.

A couple of warcry warbands getting the shot in the head is a shame as well - wanted that beastman for mordheim and the untamed for marauders in my slaanesh WoC.

Was very close to buying some of those things right about now, after reading the news.. but decided “nah”.

Stormcasts - don’t care, but can empathise with people, who like them.

It’s probably the second biggest culling since death of WHFB? Maybe second only to the the one where all high elves, empire and wood elves got massacred.

All in all, I’m more sad for the products that were still left over from WhFB days. But I can imagine all those stormcasts (whose range was immensely rich compared to others) and a dozen warcry bands were not selling all that well.

Honestly, I am more surprised that it has taken GW this long. They want to silo their games, so there is little to no cross compatibility. Beastmen were always in a very precarious position within AOS, don't think they ever got a new AOS styled model, just a new Beastlord character... which had the design aesthetics of WFB.

A lot of the model range for AoS, have been 1 foot in AoS, and the rest of their body in WFB. Now with TOW, it allows GW to make a cleaner cut between the games. I imagine we'll see lore of this in the future, Dwarfs and Chaos Mortals will be next I imagine.

As for Stormcast, well... they are Marines of that setting, so their range is heavily bloated and in need of a trim. What is going to be interesting is when the Stormcast get their equivalent Primaris event/redesign.

HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

"Two factions, Beasts of Chaos and Bonesplitterz, as well as a number of older Stormcast Eternals from the Sacrosanct and Warrior chambers, will be receiving free-to-download digital battletomes."


I Collect Exclusively Sacrosanct, Orcs with Bonesplitterz and goblins... meaning Only my goblins army will continue the others bye bye... Sure! It's not a minor thing here its full armies and dozens of models. GW your drunk.

Further this BS!

They Killed the Old world made us switch to new bases new AOS armies etc... now they kill the sacrosanct new AOS army and discontinue others... and bring back Old world. In short inconsistent unsteady and constant rules changes and game switches drives me away from any rules or games from GW. Nice models GW but the rest is total discardable garbage.

Skaven and having a lot of units removed means they will get a lot of new units. (We already kinda knew that)
The new Beastlord was nice... Shame they will not rework the rest of the range for Beasts... I guess they will move them to TOW.
And I guess that means that now all the orks are civilized. No more savage orks for AOS.
I'm not sure why they remove the Warcry warbands... although they did leave the Darkoath Savagers.
What's weird is that they are removing just 2 Underworlds warbands and all these Stormcast that have no place in TOW...

 stonehorse wrote:

As for Stormcast, well... they are Marines of that setting, so their range is heavily bloated and in need of a trim. What is going to be interesting is when the Stormcast get their equivalent Primaris event/redesign.

Aren't Thunderstrike their rough Primaris/Mark X equivalent?

Savage orcs- damn.. Old World Rebox maybe? Lack of any mention of that in their column (unlike the beastmen) is veryyyy worrying. It’s weird as well, as savage orcs are quite unique. More so than “kruleboyz” or “not black orcs” which look generic as all gak.

Imo, Kruleboyz are more unique than Savage Orcs or even WFB-style Orcs (including Ironjawz). But then, I never liked Savage Orcs, even back in the WFB days. I felt as if I were just seeing normal orcs, but without armor and with feathers and trinkets instead.

I think the """""problem""""" for GW was that Kruleboyz represented the cunning side of orcs, while the Ironjawz represented the brutal side (the classic "brutal but cunning" or "cunning but brutal"). Savage Orcs were only another variation on brutality. GW tried in the last BT to add the "savage" aspect to the Orcs (there's a paragraph that talks about "Brutal, cunning and savage"), but it sounded very forced.

But that's my opinion only.

 stonehorse wrote:
Honestly, I am more surprised that it has taken GW this long. They want to silo their games, so there is little to no cross compatibility. Beastmen were always in a very precarious position within AOS, don't think they ever got a new AOS styled model, just a new Beastlord character... which had the design aesthetics of WFB.

A lot of the model range for AoS, have been 1 foot in AoS, and the rest of their body in WFB. Now with TOW, it allows GW to make a cleaner cut between the games. I imagine we'll see lore of this in the future, Dwarfs and Chaos Mortals will be next I imagine.

As for Stormcast, well... they are Marines of that setting, so their range is heavily bloated and in need of a trim. What is going to be interesting is when the Stormcast get their equivalent Primaris event/redesign.

That's... what's going on. It started last edition with the 'slimmer' armor sets. This edition is explicitly about reforging (2.0) and why its 'bad'

Chaos mortals are also going on, that's what darkoath is about and why the warcry stuff is getting flushed.

I definitely agree about the Beasts and the AoS/TOW divide. I'm just surprised that with the Cities of Sigmar revamp that the remaining (non-Morathi) elfs and dwarfs didn't get tipped into the bin as well.
Maybe that book is towards the back of the release order, given how recent it is. New CoS books usually seem to come with their own culling anyway.

 NAVARRO wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

"Two factions, Beasts of Chaos and Bonesplitterz, as well as a number of older Stormcast Eternals from the Sacrosanct and Warrior chambers, will be receiving free-to-download digital battletomes."


I Collect Exclusively Sacrosanct, Orcs with Bonesplitterz and goblins... meaning Only my goblins army will continue the others bye bye... Sure! It's not a minor thing here its full armies and dozens of models. GW your drunk.

Further this BS!

They Killed the Old world made us switch to new bases new AOS armies etc... now they kill the sacrosanct new AOS army and discontinue others... and bring back Old world. In short inconsistent unsteady and constant rules changes and game switches drives me away from any rules or games from GW. Nice models GW but the rest is total discardable garbage.

I'd be patient concerning the Sacrosanct. Seems to me like they're going to be second in line for Thunderstike upgrades.

Nearly everything on the list is expected. Beasts and Bonesplitterz have been rumoured to go for a while now, The S2D Warbands make sense since they don't really need a bunch of different marauders anymore with the upcoming refresh and the Skaven should mostly be getting replaced. Whats surprising is the Stormcast.
Obviously Prosecutors, Paladins are getting refreshed/replaced, Judicators are already soft-replaced by Vigilors and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new Lord-Celestant. All the smaller characters are fine as SC had too many of those anyway but the whole Sancrosanct chamber going away wasn't what I expected.

Since they even called them out as going back to Azyr permanently I don't think they will get replacements and even if the basic guys like Sequitors and Evocators are getting replaced in the future with Thunderstrike armour, the bigger ones like the Ballista, Dracoline riders and Tauralon will for sure not come back. And if those don't come back there also isn't really a reason to bring the rank and file back.
Its probably because the Ruination chamber will be close in theme to the Sancrosanct chamber but still those models are only 6 years old and I'm not that happy about it with my whole Sancrosanct army.

At least they will be legal for another year and if you believe them they will even keep up rules and balance updates for them throughout the edition but for sure only this edition so in 3 years everything will be gone for sure

stormcast getting cuts makes a lot of sense. generic characters, as other people said, are probably getting updates, some of the other stuff will be getting updates. wouldn't be surprised if some of those characters get new models with shiney new armor as well

skaven is to be expected. a lot of stuff is obviously getting replaced (clanrats, weapons teams, all the characters), but i'm sure that the state of the army in eight months is going to be better than it is now

not shocked about bonesplitterz. i've felt for a while that GW would want to distance themselves from the army. there are a lot of factions reliant on cultural stereotypes in warhammer, across all of their games, but bonesplitterz are the most racist about it. the "brutish violent savage" aesthetic on its own won't cause controversy, but the "tribal" aesthetic that they have reads a lot worse now than it did 20-30 years ago. maybe these models make their way to TOW at some point, but i think it's more likely that they just fade away

the slaves to darkness stuff is the most disappointing. i'm not expecting them to stop selling those models unless they cut warcry as a game, and it doesn't seem like other factions are losing their warcry options, either, so it makes me wonder what's going to be happening with these. maybe they end up in their own army? maybe GW wants them to be their own thing? the Horns ending up with CD makes sense for that one, at least

Beasts of Chaos is a shame, but people have been talking about this as a possibility for a while now, so i'm not too surprised to see it happen. it's unfortunate, but i'm curious how GW is going to handle them in TOW now

finally, and most importantly, i hope GW makes a new Valkia model at some point, because she is straight up one of my favorite characters on the fantasy side of warhammer

Oh And goblins also had the spider boss and shaman added in to the legends..

So 100% of my sacrosanct is gone... 50% of Orcs and maybe 5% of goblins. All my armies got hit and one at full strength. The question is why even bother doing ANY new or old Army for GW games?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


the slaves to darkness stuff is the most disappointing. i'm not expecting them to stop selling those models unless they cut warcry as a game, and it doesn't seem like other factions are losing their warcry options, either, so it makes me wonder what's going to be happening with these. maybe they end up in their own army? maybe GW wants them to be their own thing? the Horns ending up with CD makes sense for that one, at least

For me it makes sense because balance wise all those Warbands were basically all doing the same thing. They had different flavours but they were all in the same spot as the maruders in the army. It was basically bloat in terms of the cheap chaff mortal follower units. Thematic and amazing to look at and I hope they kepe selling them for Warcry itself; however I can understand why GW might move them to legends.

It's a shame they couldn't just create the models on a set single same base size with same number of models in each set so that they could just have gone "well ok we are removing their rules but you can use the models for your armies as counts as maruders because they are the same size". But Warcry wasn't started with that plan.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


finally, and most importantly, i hope GW makes a new Valkia model at some point, because she is straight up one of my favorite characters on the fantasy side of warhammer

But we have Valkia at home

Lord Zarkov wrote:

Belthanos wrote:
Stings. Especially bonensplitters. For added fun can't play all savage orc army in tow either.

Time to play 20-30 boarboy units? Only way to legally use all in tow.

Maybe an Army of Renown will come out for them in a year or two when GW have got through the TOW release backlog and feel like re-releasing them.

That hope main reason i don't sell excess. That and painted models don't go for that much.

And since tow ground seems more relax(the legends certainly seems to be considered fair play unlike aos/40k where default seems to be no-go) that maybe opponents ok with all savage orc army in tow house rule.

It's not like all frenzied cavalry army should be brokenly good.,.

The churn and burn on the Stormcast range is truly incredible.

I'm sad about losing BoC from AOS, but on the positive side I finally have a definitive answer to the question "shall I assemble my Beastmen on round or square bases?"

 nels1031 wrote:
There are a few shocks in the list of mini’s, but most of it makes sense. IMO, they could’ve went harder into the Stormcast and StD.

Sad to see the BoC go, their recent battletome was pretty wild. I guess it was a last hurrah to bring up sales and it didn’t produce. Fare thee well in TOW!

Bonesplittas was a long time coming.

At this point battletome sales wouldn't have mattered for this decision

Imagine retiring the completely up to date Clanrats and Stormvermin and leaving in the gak Plague Monks

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Imagine retiring the completely up to date Clanrats and Stormvermin and leaving in the gak Plague Monks

Clanrats being core unit is obvious unit to get kit in range refresh.

I'm shocked it was not the Vanguard Chamber getting dumped.

I wonder if they will mark Sacrosant Chamber as ''closed'' in the new Sigmarines organisation graphic or ''never existed''?

They said this:

We begin with Sigmar’s finest, the Stormcast Eternals, who have one of the largest miniature ranges in Warhammer history. With so many warscrolls – often for troops who have similar fighting styles – certain units are returning to the distant halls of Azyr. These include the entire Sacrosanct Chamber, who have decided to work on the cure for the curse of Reforging from their workshops in the Realm of Heavens.

The Sacrosanct coming out of Azyr with Soul Wars was to find a cure for the curse of Reforging. It wasn't going well.

It's quite surprising really when they made Solbright quite a prominant character in Dawnbringers.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's quite surprising really when they made Solbright quite a prominant character in Dawnbringers.

I mean, it's not surprising on her given what happens to her in Mad King's Rise lol.

Yeah, but she's not actually dead, just booted back upstairs. I mean why make a Sacrosanct character a lead if you're just going to pull them.

I don't get why people are pulling their old world plans simply because a range doesn't exist concurrently in both? It's been glaringly obvious for a long time they don't want shared kits.

If you wanted beasts for old world then this might actually be a good thing, bigger boxes, cheaper per head and any contemporary kits stay that way.

Likewise I suspect a lot of the sigmarines will get resculpts and/or easy proxies.

To be fair, the stormcast range got way too big with overlapping models far too fast - absolutely a bunch will be getting new kits and still be available and there's nothing stopping anyone from using them as a counts as for a close enough model.

Moving factions from AoS to Old World only is disappointing, but better than simply retiring the models period.

Skaven obviously are getting most of the models in that list back with new sculpts, plus a lot of those were already replaced with better ones historically in the Isle of Blood (Rat Ogres, etc).

Plus side about this update was #1: there will be rules through next year for Tournament play. #2: This is a huge heads up to avoid buying things that will be retired. At least they're telegraphing the updates now, rather than as a last minute surprise.