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 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

Likely 10 bodies, three having options between Clanrat and Command?

Their bodies aren’t repeated in the other 10.
Clanrats are like the quintessential 20 model unit. I really don’t see them being sold in 10s.

Something that's possible is that there's a specific "set" of legs/torsos or whatever that are used for the command stuff. There's been a few instances of late where there's a unique series of bits keyed specifically for that which build a wildly different "basic" trooper.

and those are still the core box snap fit models, and we had it before that the unit size in the core box is not related to the later box or unit size given by the army book
and the Hobgrots come in boxes of 20 with 2 command options and as those are also snap fit the skaven will be similar

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

Got evidence gw planning to radically alter their rules?


Clanrats come in blocks of 20 and gw sells minimum sized units as bare minimum with every new release

Belthanos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

Got evidence gw planning to radically alter their rules?


Clanrats come in blocks of 20 and gw sells minimum sized units as bare minimum with every new release

they won't sell a unit that needs 20 in a box of 10, that would be silly

it will of course be a box of nine

Belthanos wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

Got evidence gw planning to radically alter their rules?


Clanrats come in blocks of 20 and gw sells minimum sized units as bare minimum with every new release

They're indexing and resetting the entire game and you're asking for evidence they're radically changing the rules?

Note, I was being silly with the boxes of 10 comment, they will likely be in 20's still, but it's an unknown and nobody can confidently comment either way.

If we want to be ̶p̶e̶d̶a̶n̶t̶i̶c̶ technical, Plague Marines also come in 3s.

 CMLR wrote:
If we want to be ̶p̶e̶d̶a̶n̶t̶i̶c̶ technical, Plague Marines also come in 3s.

And 1s, alongside tactical marines and terminators.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/10/react-to-your-opponent-with-powerful-new-commands-in-newaos/

So, stratagems but on the datasheets now, too.

Could be fun to get extra CP if the opponent is in the lead.
Otherwise it feels a little bit like AoS is picking up stuff that 40k 10th tried to get away from.
At least its not full "build your army to maximise CP", as far as this article explain.

Ok, votes on how long it takes for an ability to be added which generates you additional command points.

I'm going 5th new battletome.

I say Stormcast

 RaptorusRex wrote:
So, stratagems but on the datasheets now, too.

This is what I thought they'd do with the 9th edition bloat.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
So, stratagems but on the datasheets now, too.

Where you saw that? The chariot didn't have one at least.

Not a fan

Especially of the absolute asinine syntax of calling buffs "reactions" to your own actions.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
So, stratagems but on the datasheets now, too.

Tbh I prefer this.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not a fan

Especially of the absolute asinine syntax of calling buffs "reactions" to your own actions.

It does avoid having to come up with another term.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not a fan

Especially of the absolute asinine syntax of calling buffs "reactions" to your own actions.

I'm guessing it's better than you think. Given how they've said everything is abilities now, I'm betting we'll see reactions in a lot of places, with more triggers than just your own rolls (which AOD already has, too). Classifying them as reactions means they're not locked to a specific phase either, so you could All Out Defense or All Out Attack in the hero phase, for instance, if you (or your opponent) has an ability that lets you fight there. We can already see this sort of interaction being doable with Counter Charge and Forward to Victory.

Three words: Idc

So they keep double turn but add lots of reactions (more bloat).

Laughing Man wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not a fan

Especially of the absolute asinine syntax of calling buffs "reactions" to your own actions.

I'm guessing it's better than you think. Given how they've said everything is abilities now, I'm betting we'll see reactions in a lot of places, with more triggers than just your own rolls (which AOD already has, too). Classifying them as reactions means they're not locked to a specific phase either, so you could All Out Defense or All Out Attack in the hero phase, for instance, if you (or your opponent) has an ability that lets you fight there. We can already see this sort of interaction being doable with Counter Charge and Forward to Victory.

Sounds like making excuses for dumb gak to me. I'm not sure why you would think a "buff" is intrinsically locked to some phase but a "reaction" isn't.

"Okay I declare attacks and I react to my own attacks to give myself +1 to hit" sounds psychotic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Sounds like making excuses for dumb gak to me. I'm not sure why you would think a "buff" is intrinsically locked to some phase but a "reaction" isn't.

"Okay I declare attacks and I react to my own attacks to give myself +1 to hit" sounds psychotic.

Why does it sound like Magic the Gathering?

"In your x step, I'll do this!"
"In response to that, I'll do that!"

It very much sounds like GW trying to do MTG.

It's like they are trying with universal key words; reaction play and alternate activation mechanics just whilst trying to stick to whole army activation games; unique key words, unique abilities and a 3 year product cycle all at once .

I like that this changes forward to victory to require you to commit to the reroll up front. Forces a hard choice on which charge is a must pass.

 ritualnet wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Sounds like making excuses for dumb gak to me. I'm not sure why you would think a "buff" is intrinsically locked to some phase but a "reaction" isn't.

"Okay I declare attacks and I react to my own attacks to give myself +1 to hit" sounds psychotic.

Why does it sound like Magic the Gathering?

"In your x step, I'll do this!"
"In response to that, I'll do that!"

So gw games since nearly decade minimum then

For the record I'm perfectly fine with reactions to an opponent's actions, but calling enhances to your own actions reactions is stupidly counterintuitive and it's going to throw newbies off.

In GW syntax "reaction" doesn't actually mean a response, it means "ability that triggers when X happens"

Reaction: When this model moves, it gets +2" to its movement distance.

Hmm yes that's a reaction alright.

I don't like a rule or change = bloat

SU-152 wrote:
So they keep double turn but add lots of reactions (more bloat).

There's a net total of two new Commands...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Reaction: When this model moves, it gets +2" to its movement distance.

Hmm yes that's a reaction alright.

Dunno, maybe it's the former MtG player talking, but I don't see the issue. When X, do Y. Yeah, that reads like a reaction to me.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Reaction: When this model moves, it gets +2" to its movement distance.

Hmm yes that's a reaction alright.

Dunno, maybe it's the former MtG player talking, but I don't see the issue. When X, do Y. Yeah, that reads like a reaction to me.

Perhaps a meta question. Its not the models that move and react to themself, its the player that react to the fact his mini soldiers wont get far enough with their normal move.
Anyway, an effect triggered by a cicumstance sounds like a reaction to me.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Dunno, maybe it's the former MtG player talking, but I don't see the issue. When X, do Y. Yeah, that reads like a reaction to me.

There's no such thing in MTG, what you describe are Triggered Abilities. You do respond to opponents' plays and in fringe cases you do respond to your own plays, but normal people say "I hold priority and do this second thing" not "I'm responding to myself"