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Mentioned this in the Orky thread, but figured it should be it’s own thing, as it may get buried in there.

Now, we know Krieg is getting at least a squad box, because we’ve seen it in the forthcoming Kill Team boxed set. But the art from the Beastsnagga’s box inserts clearly shows Rough Riders back in action.

Why is this significant? Well, we know No Model No Rules is a thing. But in recent years, we’ve also seen No Model No Artwork. So I’m pretty confident we’re about to see Rough Riders jauntily trotting the battlefields by the end of the year.

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I have some doubts, but wouldn't be the first time a new model was first spotted in the background of an unrelated piece of artwork.

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Gathering the Informations.

It would confirm Death Riders not necessarily Rough Riders.

There is a rumor that there's three boxes coming for DKoK: Death Riders, the Veteran/Trooper box we're seeing with Kill Team, and a Grenadier/Command Squad box. The art at least points towards the Death Riders potentially being a thing.
   
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No Model No Artwork doesn't necessarily seem to be a thing anymore. Chaos Knights codex had some FW-esq Lost and Damned and Imperial Knights also had the very lanky, almost angelic Mechanicus figure that a lot of people expected to be a model.

Plus technically there are Deathrider models already, they're just sold via Forge World.
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
No Model No Artwork doesn't necessarily seem to be a thing anymore. Chaos Knights codex had some FW-esq Lost and Damned and Imperial Knights also had the very lanky, almost angelic Mechanicus figure that a lot of people expected to be a model.

Plus technically there are Deathrider models already, they're just sold via Forge World.


remember kids, just like in the BL Lost and the damned / R&H are only good enough to be krumped or minor supporters rather than the backbone of chaos.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
No Model No Artwork doesn't necessarily seem to be a thing anymore. Chaos Knights codex had some FW-esq Lost and Damned and Imperial Knights also had the very lanky, almost angelic Mechanicus figure that a lot of people expected to be a model.

Plus technically there are Deathrider models already, they're just sold via Forge World.


Forge World also sold or sell DKpK infantry, yet we’re getting those in plastic too.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
No Model No Artwork doesn't necessarily seem to be a thing anymore. Chaos Knights codex had some FW-esq Lost and Damned and Imperial Knights also had the very lanky, almost angelic Mechanicus figure that a lot of people expected to be a model.

Plus technically there are Deathrider models already, they're just sold via Forge World.


Forge World also sold or sell DKpK infantry, yet we’re getting those in plastic too.

Oh I don't think it's impossible or anything, I'd say it's pretty likely, but I'm just saying No Model No Art isn't necessarily true and/or they seem happy to include FW units under it.
   
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The guardsman next to the white squig seems to be wearing an engineer-style gasmask and breastplate.
On the other hand, 'no model, no art' doesn't seem to be nearly as solid a rule as 'no model, no rules' and it is far from clear if FW models count or not, or whether designs which never actually make it to production sometimes get added to art because someone thinks they are going ahead but they get cancelled due to some issue. Presumably art needs to be ordered some time in advance of printing.
I do still expect death riders. They are one of the more popular kreig kits and I doubt that the krieg veterans are going to be a solo release.

   
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I guess we'll find out one way or another, when Astra MIllitarum get their 9th edition codex.

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Plastic Death Riders and plastic Combat Engineers would be awesome. But we'll also get people bitching about how horses don't belong in 40k again, huzzah.

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 Perfect Organism wrote:
The guardsman next to the white squig seems to be wearing an engineer-style gasmask and breastplate.
On the other hand, 'no model, no art' doesn't seem to be nearly as solid a rule as 'no model, no rules' and it is far from clear if FW models count or not, or whether designs which never actually make it to production sometimes get added to art because someone thinks they are going ahead but they get cancelled due to some issue. Presumably art needs to be ordered some time in advance of printing.
I do still expect death riders. They are one of the more popular kreig kits and I doubt that the krieg veterans are going to be a solo release.

Engineer armor is chunkier/flatter and has tube-style masks. That almost certainly looks like officer armor, looks more like more the retro european breastplate sensibility with a separate mask.

On riders, I think it's likely new, only because I think they'd be avoiding any riders in guard if they weren't adding them back, and likely as a generic entry since otherwise people would be cranky about not getting the basic version and only the signature version.

I'm a bit disappointed we're (likely) seeing these specialists before catachan get an infantry squad to replace that embarrassingly dated one (there are certainly lines that have older models, but IMHO berserkers and catachans have aged the worst, neither were great kits to begin with).

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 Arbitrator wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
No Model No Artwork doesn't necessarily seem to be a thing anymore. Chaos Knights codex had some FW-esq Lost and Damned and Imperial Knights also had the very lanky, almost angelic Mechanicus figure that a lot of people expected to be a model.

Plus technically there are Deathrider models already, they're just sold via Forge World.


Forge World also sold or sell DKpK infantry, yet we’re getting those in plastic too.

Oh I don't think it's impossible or anything, I'd say it's pretty likely, but I'm just saying No Model No Art isn't necessarily true and/or they seem happy to include FW units under it.


2 of the Death Rider sculpts are listed as "sold out" on FW, so I'm guessing they're going the way of the Dodo to be replaced with GW plastics.
   
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It's a 50/50 shot on that right now, because there's a backend issue causing things that are out of stock to be listed as No Longer Available on the FW site.
   
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 BrookM wrote:
Plastic Death Riders and plastic Combat Engineers would be awesome. But we'll also get people bitching about how horses don't belong in 40k again, huzzah.


A bit of genetic modification, implant some service studs in the forehead and give it a bionic eye and what superficially resembles a 21st Century horse is a perfect fit.

With hoof skulls.

And Praetorians or Ventrillian Nobles in the saddle.

   
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It's a good spot. But yea, no artwork no rules isn't 100% accurate anymore. Example, on the backs of FEC statcards is a giant corpse cart pulled by a monster and that never materialized.

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 BrookM wrote:
Plastic Death Riders and plastic Combat Engineers would be awesome. But we'll also get people bitching about how horses don't belong in 40k again, huzzah.



Well I will shout them down then because some plastic rough riders or death riders or some kind of dual kit or the like ? I'd be totally in as I've only asked for it a bunch on here.


They would even need to really shock me with the price to hear me complain as I love cavalry units in the 40k.

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 BrookM wrote:
Plastic Death Riders and plastic Combat Engineers would be awesome. But we'll also get people bitching about how horses don't belong in 40k again, huzzah.


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 Grot 6 wrote:
The real question- How do they look alongside the FW ones?


Beefier. Not much more to it than that, really.

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 Grot 6 wrote:
The real question- How do they look alongside the FW ones?


Less bubbly, less warped, less bent and without 3D print lines

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Grot 6 wrote:
The real question- How do they look alongside the FW ones?


Less bubbly, less warped, less bent and without 3D print lines


FW Krieg came out in 2006 and 2007, you won't find any print lines on them
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But in recent years, we’ve also seen No Model No Artwork.

Erm, no. That was maybe a thing in 7th edition, but if you saw anyone saying that in 8/9th, that was just 4chan FUD. See that gorgeous art of steampunk DG, Black Legion Terminator Lord with flaming mace, BA primaris gravis captain, GK champion, Sisters flying battlechurch, all the aliens from 9th edition rulebook, or hell, half of current AM Codex.

Death Riders are likely because GW won't release just lone squad for them, but last 5 years was full of really nice art that never got any model...
   
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Yeah I'd say the best thing about Krieg being here is it means death riders/rough riders may be assured which is great, for me.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
It would confirm Death Riders not necessarily Rough Riders.

There is a rumor that there's three boxes coming for DKoK: Death Riders, the Veteran/Trooper box we're seeing with Kill Team, and a Grenadier/Command Squad box. The art at least points towards the Death Riders potentially being a thing.

Well hopefully we get a heavy trooper box too to go with it.

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Grenadiers would be the heavy trooper box.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
It would confirm Death Riders not necessarily Rough Riders.


It would probably be too much to hope GW would build the sprues in such a way as to be able to make Attilan or Cadian Rough Riders. Other than multiple heads or a removable gas mask you'd have to reckon with the weird docked tail and exposed tail bone vertebrae that seem to be essential to the Death Rider look.
   
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Really hope they don't. Rough Riders are too...bleh at this point.

Death Riders should be the only instance of them, unless they literally bring back Attilans.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Really hope they don't. Rough Riders are too...bleh at this point.

Death Riders should be the only instance of them, unless they literally bring back Attilans.


I hope they bring back the Attilans, and that they are made in such a way as they are easy fodder to use in fantasy

   
 
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