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It's basically just a new "Mark" of armor, right? Required because Chaos has cursed things so Stormcast souls no longer automatically return to Azyr. The Stormcast inside could very well been a Liberator in 1st ed, a Sequitor in 2nd ed, and now in 3rd ed., issued the new armor and weapons to become a Vindictor (after several or more reforgings). But said Stormcast is still from a Redeemer Conclave and is the basic line infantry.

Or to continue the Sigmarine analogy, the Liberator armor was the AoS equivalent of 40k Mark 2 "Crusade Armour", and Vindictor armor is Mark 3 "Iron Armour".

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Yup, new armor but the SCE inside it are the same. It is stated as being given to a minority of the most worthy SCE, implying if not outright stating that it is something in limited supply; while SCE are certainly analogous to space marines, thunderstrike isn't an analogy to primaris.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yup, new armor but the SCE inside it are the same. It is stated as being given to a minority of the most worthy SCE, implying if not outright stating that it is something in limited supply; while SCE are certainly analogous to space marines, thunderstrike isn't an analogy to primaris.


I see it was more analogous to terminator armor, better quality armor reserved for the elites

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yup, new armor but the SCE inside it are the same. It is stated as being given to a minority of the most worthy SCE, implying if not outright stating that it is something in limited supply; while SCE are certainly analogous to space marines, thunderstrike isn't an analogy to primaris.
Thanks for the reply. No, I didn't think they were an AoS equivalent of Primaris. I just wanted to confirm that this was a load-out change. Like if a US army infantryman started his service career as part of the Occupation forces of Japan in 1946 and thus used WWII kit, then saw service in Korea and Vietnam. then finally retired in 1986. He'd have been a combat infantryman all forty years, but his gear would have been changed a lot over his career.

@BrianDavion. Without AoS stats or Warcry cards for the new armor, I cannot prove or disprove that Thunderstrike armor is an AoS equivalent of Terminator armor. However, here's what Warhammer Community has to say about why the new armor was issued.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/04/how-age-of-sigmars-dominion-boxed-set-draws-on-40-years-of-warhammer-history/
Spoiler:
So why the different armour? If you haven’t been keeping up with Broken Realms, you might want to have a look at this primer to find out why these new warriors are essential to the Stormcast Eternals’ continued survival in the Mortal Realms. Sigmar’s champions have been linked directly to Azyr since their creation, but that connection has been compromised.

Thunderstrike armour was designed to allow fallen Stormcasts to pierce the veil of corrupt Chaos energy that now swirls above the realms. The path back to Azyr is still dangerous, and the Stormcast Eternals spend more time than ever on the ground, working more closely with mortalkind.


Now the new Annihilator armor may very well be Terminator equivalent, as quoted by Warhammer Community, "It’s obvious if you’ve met an Annihilator in combat because their hulking Sigmarite armour tends to blot out the sun. They are huge, steadfast warriors that love to hold ground and then hit back hard. Very hard. Let’s take a look at how they operate on the tabletop."

Anyway, as I don't play AoS, but did buy Vanguard and Sacrosanct Chamber SCE for Warcry that's where my interest lies.

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@BrianDavion. Without AoS stats or Warcry cards for the new armor, I cannot prove or disprove that Thunderstrike armor is an AoS equivalent of Terminator armor.


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As you can see, they all tend to have a increase in their armor over the pre-thunderstrike equivilants. with the line infantry having a 3+ save vs the 4+ of the pre thunderstrike line infantry.
So yeah I think the terminator comparison is apt

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Honestly? Looks like two units with power armor and one unit with terminator armor to me, if you want to go with the Marine comparison. Newer marks, but broadly equivalent to the older units that were thought of that way. Of course I'm going off visuals here rather than rules.

The rules strike me more as stat escalation to bring Sigmarines up to the level of other armies than a better representation of the armor's capabilities. I may be mistaken since I'm not following the rules side so closely, but hasn't their battletome been considered somewhat lacking compared to newer stuff? I seem to remember something like that. But yeah, basic new spear Sigmarine doesn't significantly differ from old hammer Sigmarine visually for me to believe the armor should be upped to 3+.

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Gathering the Informations.

Shields tend to be rolled into a unit's profile now rather than getting wordy descriptions that amount to "+1 to saves". Exception is if the shield actually does something unique.

Question will be how many models make up a unit going forward. Liberators might start at 10 while Vindictors start at 5, etc.
   
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It is probable that basic thunderstrike armor is the same 4+. Vindictors have shields, praetors have hero-level armor (SCE heroes have always had a 3+ base). Annihilators on the other hand seem to have 3+ base with the shield bumping it to 2+.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is probable that basic thunderstrike armor is the same 4+. Vindictors have shields, praetors have hero-level armor (SCE heroes have always had a 3+ base). Annihilators on the other hand seem to have 3+ base with the shield bumping it to 2+.


don't most SCE line infantry have sheilds and are 4+ even then though?

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Previously shields gave some sort of bespoke ability, but for third they have moved to shields being baked into the save characteristic instead (thank goodness).

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BrianDavion wrote:


Ask and ye shall receive. <snip>

As you can see, they all tend to have a increase in their armor over the pre-thunderstrike equivilants. with the line infantry having a 3+ save vs the 4+ of the pre thunderstrike line infantry.
So yeah I think the terminator comparison is apt
The Annihilators at 2+ certainly are Terminator equivalent, the others less so, although they do have better saves than the Sequitors I have. {I bought Soul Strike since it gave me the start of two Warcry warbands, Sacrosanct & Nighthaunt, so I have those cards for comparson.}

The Annihilators Charge abiltiy is cool; I wonder how it will translate to Warcry? Or if they will do so? However, if they try launching Warcry 2nd ed., I'll ignore it. Haven't used what I already own yet.

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Gathering the Informations.

Annihilators are an evolution of the Paladins(Retributor, Protector, Decimator) from the initial Stormcast launch.

There's nothing "Terminator" about them, outside of them just being more heavily armored.
   
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Elite, better save, extra wounds, slower, special teleporting; they are terminator equivalents in every possible way.

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Gathering the Informations.

That's kinda flimsy logic.

You wouldn't call Chaos Chosen or Warriors "Terminator equivalents", despite having those same characteristics compared to Marauders.

Annihilators are Paladins Mark II. If people hadn't kept trying to make "Sigmarines" a thing, we would likely not be having this discussion.
   
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Marauders are regular humans. If chaos warriors had an equivalent that was an extra wound, an extra point of armor, and more elite then yeah people would call that a terminator equivalent. There is no way annihilators are NOT analogous to terminators, even. The only elements missing are ones exclusive to 40k.

PS: Paladins were also widely regarded as terminator equivalents on release and I know you were there when they were.

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Gathering the Informations.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Marauders are regular humans. If chaos warriors had an equivalent that was an extra wound, an extra point of armor, and more elite then yeah people would call that a terminator equivalent. There is no way annihilators are NOT analogous to terminators, even. The only elements missing are ones exclusive to 40k.

PS: Paladins were also widely regarded as terminator equivalents on release and I know you were there when they were.

Paladins were 4+ saves at launch, same as Liberators. Difference was literally a single wound and the weapons loadouts. Literally the only reason people kept talking about them as "Terminator equivalents" is the meme trash about Sigmarines. It didn't hold up in stats or anything, since Paladins could be drawn up from freshly Reforged souls.

Annihilators are an evolution of the Paladin concept, which had a more heavily armored(visually) model. The 2+ save on them is definitely strange when the only thing is a shield--but maybe Paladins are getting a bump to 3+?

You're welcome to believe whatever you like. End of the day, I don't see the Paladins or the Annihilators as "Terminator equivalents". If anything, they're closer to Heavy Intercessors or Iron Armour: stuff designed to be more protective in the lore but gameplay wise extremely close to the baseline gear.

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SCE are carrying the space marine aesthetic into the fantasy side of Warhammer ('sigmarines'). Like annihilators-terminators there is a clear analogy. You don't have to believe in it obviously, reality will always be waiting when you get back.

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