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The world of 40k is designed in such a way that any faction can fight any faction (including itself). That being said, there are some combinations where, given the factions' respective motivations, you'd have to think really hard about why they would ever meet, let alone fight.


Tyranids and Chaos: I think the forces of Chaos in the Eye of Terror are quite safe from the Tyranids. Bar some Warp shenanigans or deliberate action by some scheming Kryptman type, it'll be thousands of years before Tyranids make it to that side of the galaxy. And Abaddon is probably happy to sit back and watch the Tyranids bleed the Imperium's strength.

Necrons and Tyranids: Tyranids cannot eat Necrons. Necrons aim to starve out Chaos by eliminating sentient beings and their emotions, which is perfectly compatible with Tyranids' goal to eat all organic matter in the Milky Way. Therefore, I could easily imagine a future (say, the year 50,000) where all other factions have been destroyed and only Necrons and Tyranids remain in the galaxy, neither at war nor at peace; just ignoring each other because neither has anything that the other needs, nor poses a threat to the other. Perhaps fighting could break out if Tyranids make landfall on a tomb world, but then again, Necrons likely know that the swarm will just move on once they realize there's nothing to eat.

Drukhari and Necrons: Sure, the Eldar and Necrons are ancient foes, but the Drukhari don't really care about that enmity anymore. All they know is that Necrons cannot be enslaved. They do not settle any new worlds, and are therefore unlikely to disturb a tomb world. The only scenario I can think of where they would fight is if they're racing for some MacGuffin or other (e.g. Vect needs an item to enact his plans, while Trazyn wants it for his collection).

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Grey Knights and anyone other than Chaos.

   
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Tyranids and Chaos: I think the forces of Chaos in the Eye of Terror are quite safe from the Tyranids. Bar some Warp shenanigans or deliberate action by some scheming Kryptman type, it'll be thousands of years before Tyranids make it to that side of the galaxy. And Abaddon is probably happy to sit back and watch the Tyranids bleed the Imperium's strength.

The forces of Chaos don't just sit in Warpspace waiting for their enemies to die. Combat, death, destruction, and ruling over those weaker than them is what the forces of Chaos live to do. You can't rule if all life has been wiped out.
The Tyranids also come at the galaxy from all sides. Take a look at the Tyranid galactic map and you'll see what I mean. Leviathan specifically attacked the galaxy from below the galactic plane meaning it can show up anywhere it wants and Hive Fleet Kronos has specifically adapted itself to combat the forces of Chaos.

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Necrons and Tyranids: Tyranids cannot eat Necrons. Necrons aim to starve out Chaos by eliminating sentient beings and their emotions, which is perfectly compatible with Tyranids' goal to eat all organic matter in the Milky Way. Therefore, I could easily imagine a future (say, the year 50,000) where all other factions have been destroyed and only Necrons and Tyranids remain in the galaxy, neither at war nor at peace; just ignoring each other because neither has anything that the other needs, nor poses a threat to the other. Perhaps fighting could break out if Tyranids make landfall on a tomb world, but then again, Necrons likely know that the swarm will just move on once they realize there's nothing to eat.

The Necrons want their galaxy back and some seek to reverse the Biotransference. Neither can be accomplished if the Tyranids consume the galaxy.
Tyranids can consume Necrons because Necrons are made of organic compounds i.e. metal. The only thing Tyranids can consume is Daemonflesh because it isn't made of matter.

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Drukhari and Necrons: Sure, the Eldar and Necrons are ancient foes, but the Drukhari don't really care about that enmity anymore. All they know is that Necrons cannot be enslaved. They do not settle any new worlds, and are therefore unlikely to disturb a tomb world. The only scenario I can think of where they would fight is if they're racing for some MacGuffin or other (e.g. Vect needs an item to enact his plans, while Trazyn wants it for his collection).

The Drukhari still remember the War in Heaven just the same as the Asuryani and some leaders may seek vengeance against the Necrons because of this. Sometimes the worlds Drukhari raid might turn out to be a Tomb World or they might take advantage of a Necron invasion to pillage undefended settlements. Whenever a battle happens between the Drukhari and faction X, 9/10 times it's because the Drukhari got carried away in a raid and got sloppy.

There are infinite reasons as to why a faction will fight another and honestly people shouldn't come up with reasons as to why they shouldn't fight. That's just my opinion.

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Metal is not an organic compound. Organic compounds are composed of hydrogen-carbon bonds.

That being said, I think there are stories of tyranids consuming metallic objects for the raw material, so I agree the tyranids might have a reason to confront necrons.

I also agree that necrons wouldn’t want the tyranids to consume all the organic life in galaxy.

I also agree with the tyranid vs chaos and drukhari vs necron reasoning.
   
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-Guardsman- wrote:
Necrons and Tyranids:.
Trazyn the Infinite hunts 'nids for his collection.
   
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 Gert wrote:
and honestly people shouldn't come up with reasons as to why they shouldn't fight.

That's not the goal of this thread. I'm just pointing out that you have to think harder for reasons to make them fight, as those factions are not natural enemies and rarely have conflicting goals.


Aash wrote:
Grey Knights and anyone other than Chaos.

True. Also Deathwatch and anyone other than aliens. And Custodes and anyone who does not pose much of a threat to the Emperor Himself. (What are the chances of an Ork getting anywhere near the Imperial palace, even without the Custodes?)

There are also cases where internecine war is highly unlikely. Custodes vs. Custodes has almost no chance of ever happening.

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-Guardsman- wrote:
That's not the goal of this thread. I'm just pointing out that you have to think harder for reasons to make them fight, as those factions are not natural enemies and rarely have conflicting goals.

I disagree with your reasoning. Here's some off the cuff examples:
Chaos vs Tyranids - A tendril of Leviathan comes close to Eyespace, a Khornate Warlord knows of the Tyranids and seeks them out intending to gift the skull of the greatest beast he can find to Khorne.
Necrons vs Tyranids - Tyranids invade a dormant Tomb World with an Imperial Colony on it, the Necrons wake up and the Overlord is mad that there are so many vermin polluting his nice quiet world.
Druhkari vs Necrons - Necrons invade an Archon's favoured raiding system, the Archon launches a counter-assault to prevent the extermination of their toys.

Aash wrote:
Grey Knights and anyone other than Chaos.

A group of Orks could have accidentally activated a Warp Device or a force of T'au could have unearthed a Chaos relic.

True. Also Deathwatch and anyone other than aliens.

Good thing most of the Imperium's enemies are Xenos. Also, a human faction that has possession of dangerous Xenos tech/relics and doesn't want to give it over.

And Custodes and anyone who does not pose much of a threat to the Emperor Himself. (What are the chances of an Ork getting anywhere near the Imperial palace, even without the Custodes?)

Have you ever heard of a pre-emptive strike? That's why the Custodes used to go out and fight. That and "protect the Emperor" is a very vague command and could be interpreted in many ways. What better way to protect the Emperor than by exterminating all of his enemies?
Also as for Orks getting close to Terra, War of the Beast.

There are also cases where internecine war is highly unlikely. Custodes vs. Custodes has almost no chance of ever happening.

A - The Bloodgames.
B - The Custodes are not 100% all happy friends. One Custodian can view the acts of another as treason and try to kill them as well as their followers.
   
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They amended Custodes lore when they made them a faction, now they're actively going out and fighting on the front lines.
   
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-Guardsman- wrote:
The world of 40k is designed in such a way that any faction can fight any faction (including itself). That being said, there are some combinations where, given the factions' respective motivations, you'd have to think really hard about why they would ever meet, let alone fight.


Tyranids and Chaos: I think the forces of Chaos in the Eye of Terror are quite safe from the Tyranids. Bar some Warp shenanigans or deliberate action by some scheming Kryptman type, it'll be thousands of years before Tyranids make it to that side of the galaxy. And Abaddon is probably happy to sit back and watch the Tyranids bleed the Imperium's strength.

Necrons and Tyranids: Tyranids cannot eat Necrons. Necrons aim to starve out Chaos by eliminating sentient beings and their emotions, which is perfectly compatible with Tyranids' goal to eat all organic matter in the Milky Way. Therefore, I could easily imagine a future (say, the year 50,000) where all other factions have been destroyed and only Necrons and Tyranids remain in the galaxy, neither at war nor at peace; just ignoring each other because neither has anything that the other needs, nor poses a threat to the other. Perhaps fighting could break out if Tyranids make landfall on a tomb world, but then again, Necrons likely know that the swarm will just move on once they realize there's nothing to eat.

Drukhari and Necrons: Sure, the Eldar and Necrons are ancient foes, but the Drukhari don't really care about that enmity anymore. All they know is that Necrons cannot be enslaved. They do not settle any new worlds, and are therefore unlikely to disturb a tomb world. The only scenario I can think of where they would fight is if they're racing for some MacGuffin or other (e.g. Vect needs an item to enact his plans, while Trazyn wants it for his collection).

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I can not speak for Drukhari and Necrons. (Although I am shure harmoculy can come with uses and torture.)

But tyranids is another thing entirely. The silent king turned back because of the tyranid thread. If they eat everything else then the Necrons will never get new host bodies.

Also, the great rift is the biggest threat to the tyranids that we have verified. Tyranids made a whole new hive fleet just to battle the chaos threat.

   
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-Guardsman- wrote:
Drukhari and Necrons: Sure, the Eldar and Necrons are ancient foes, but the Drukhari don't really care about that enmity anymore. All they know is that Necrons cannot be enslaved. They do not settle any new worlds, and are therefore unlikely to disturb a tomb world. The only scenario I can think of where they would fight is if they're racing for some MacGuffin or other (e.g. Vect needs an item to enact his plans, while Trazyn wants it for his collection).


"You want your flesh bodies back? I'm sure we can come to some sort of agreement".

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Tau and Custodes. Although it would be hilarious just for the Tau trying to figure out why everything is made of gold.
   
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-Guardsman- wrote:

Necrons and Tyranids:
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My understanding is that GW came up with some reasoning that Tyranids still like to consume necrons as some sort of dietary supplement (like getting enough iron in your diet). Regardless, many tombs lie beneath the surface of worlds home to biological life and it is unlikely the two sides will just agree to co-exist and let the other do their stuff.

It is purely my personal headcannon but I like the theory that the Old Ones created the Tyranids as a galactic reset button. The only way to quieten the warp, destroy the chaos gods and prevent the destruction of the material universe is to exterminate all life in the galaxy and cut off the power of emotion that feeds chaos. Once that has been done and the warp quietened the Old Ones can re-seed the galaxy with life and create a more harmonious galaxy. Naturally they don't want to destroy all biological life only to have their ancient enemies the Necrons inherit the ashes so they programmed the Tyranids to engage and destroy all Necrons too.
   
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Why would the Necrons allow the Tyranids to co-exist when the Tyranids are actively trying to consume the galaxy the Necrons are trying to rule?
   
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-Guardsman- wrote:

Drukhari and Necrons: Sure, the Eldar and Necrons are ancient foes, but the Drukhari don't really care about that enmity anymore. All they know is that Necrons cannot be enslaved. They do not settle any new worlds, and are therefore unlikely to disturb a tomb world. The only scenario I can think of where they would fight is if they're racing for some MacGuffin or other (e.g. Vect needs an item to enact his plans, while Trazyn wants it for his collection).

Maybe the Dark Eldar Archon wants to steal a giant Necron crystal to give as a gift to his love interest...
   
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-Guardsman- wrote:


Necrons and Tyranids: Tyranids cannot eat Necrons. Necrons aim to starve out Chaos by eliminating sentient beings and their emotions, which is perfectly compatible with Tyranids' goal to eat all organic matter in the Milky Way. Therefore, I could easily imagine a future (say, the year 50,000) where all other factions have been destroyed and only Necrons and Tyranids remain in the galaxy, neither at war nor at peace; just ignoring each other because neither has anything that the other needs, nor poses a threat to the other. Perhaps fighting could break out if Tyranids make landfall on a tomb world, but then again, Necrons likely know that the swarm will just move on once they realize there's nothing to eat.


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That's a common misconception, both in the new fluff and the old.
Yes, Necrons in the old fluff wanted to destroy chaos, but only so that C'tan can harvest lifeforce without interference from the warp, which was the only real thing that could threaten them.
Allowing space locusts to eat everything would be counterproductive to the C'tan's goals.

In the new fluff, some necron dynasties wish to regain their organic forms. To do that they need living test subjects. Again, Tyranids eating everything would be counterproductive.

As an aside, one of the things I liked about the 3rd Daemonhunters codex was that it had an article that gives reasons for why the Ordos Malleus would bother attacking factions that don't use daemons or the warp.
I forgot what most of them were, but I do remember that the justification for attacking necrons was that they think C'tan are daemons. Which is deliciously ironic.

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In the old lore i think Dark Eldar had no reason whatsoever to fight Necrons aside from being an ancient foe (same with chaos somewhat). I think GW didn't like that so the Dark City had to start getting sucked into Slaanesh's butt hole. As it turns out Black Stone pushes back chaos influence. Black Stone is sought by both necrons and admech and is used in necron structures i think.

Basically they take Black Stone and place it around the Rift in the Dark City to prevent being sucked up Slaanesh's Butt hole. Questions?

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If i recall Dark Eldar have a weird relationship with the Nids too. They don't have to fight them off but GSC are a mix. GSC probably can feel pain though i'm not sure if Nids are appropriate for fear and torture but Tyranids mostly don't have the ability to reach the Dark City (yet). There is supposed to be a Genestealer cult in the Dark City though thanks to a silly cult that sprang up around inserting GSC parts into their foreheads.

Oddly i think Dark Eldar only fight Nids to prevent a bunch of worlds they get slaves at from getting completely wiped out. A bunch of Dark Comedy that.

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 Gert wrote:
And Custodes and anyone who does not pose much of a threat to the Emperor Himself. (What are the chances of an Ork getting anywhere near the Imperial palace, even without the Custodes?)

Have you ever heard of a pre-emptive strike? That's why the Custodes used to go out and fight. That and "protect the Emperor" is a very vague command and could be interpreted in many ways. What better way to protect the Emperor than by exterminating all of his enemies?

The Custodes are very few in number. It's likely they would "outsource" most work not directly involving the personal protection of the Emperor to other, more numerous factions. If they tried to go after everything that poses a threat to the Imperium in general, they would be spread even thinner than the Marines.


B - The Custodes are not 100% all happy friends. One Custodian can view the acts of another as treason and try to kill them as well as their followers.

I could see this happening with the Imperial Guard, but the Custodes strike me as a more close-knit bunch. A civil war among them would certainly be as big of a deal as the Beheading.

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-Guardsman- wrote:
The Custodes are very few in number. It's likely they would "outsource" most work not directly involving the personal protection of the Emperor to other, more numerous factions. If they tried to go after everything that poses a threat to the Imperium in general, they would be spread even thinner than the Marines.

Few in number but they have the best weapons, equipment, and training of any soldier in the Imperium. A single unit of Custodes can literally change the course of a campaign. It's also never explicitly stated how many Cutsodes there are beyond the Companions who are 300 strong and are the only group of Custodes that hasn't left the Imperial Palace in 10k years.

I could see this happening with the Imperial Guard, but the Custodes strike me as a more close-knit bunch. A civil war among them would certainly be as big of a deal as the Beheading.

Have you read any novels featuring the Custodes? They are just as bad as everyone else in the Imperium at hating each other. And again, the Blood Games are very much a thing. One force of Custodes fighting another doesn't mean that anyone is dying or that there are lasting injuries.

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 Gert wrote:
[It's also never explicitly stated how many Cutsodes there are beyond the Companions who are 300 strong and are the only group of Custodes that hasn't left the Imperial Palace in 10k years.

There are approximately ten thousand of them (Codex: Adeptus Custodes (8th ed.), pg.6).
   
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Voss wrote:
Tau and pretty much anyone not Imperial, Orks or Tyranids.
No one cares about your tiny little corner, ok?


Hey, that's not fair!

...they have two tiny corners now

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-Guardsman- wrote:
 Gert wrote:
and honestly people shouldn't come up with reasons as to why they shouldn't fight.

That's not the goal of this thread. I'm just pointing out that you have to think harder for reasons to make them fight, as those factions are not natural enemies and rarely have conflicting goals.


Aash wrote:
Grey Knights and anyone other than Chaos.

True. Also Deathwatch and anyone other than aliens. And Custodes and anyone who does not pose much of a threat to the Emperor Himself. (What are the chances of an Ork getting anywhere near the Imperial palace, even without the Custodes?)

There are also cases where internecine war is highly unlikely. Custodes vs. Custodes has almost no chance of ever happening.

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Counterpoint - Xenos traffic in the ways of chaos too, theres already plenty of official lore snippets of GK and Xenos fighting because the Xenos were trafficking in daemon weapons and warp artifacts. Deathwatch get a similar pass, anyone trafficking in xenos tech is a potential target.

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Do Eldar and GSC have any reason to interact? I'm not too knowledgeable about either army's lore besides the basics.

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Tyranids cannot consume Necron living metal. Kroot already tried and it ended horribly wrong for them. Imagine the Tyranids, which add material to an even deeper genetic level.


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Except Tyranids can consume Necrodermis because they can break it down to base elements much more effectively than a Kroot can. It might take longer and not be as useful as flesh or plant life but they can do it.
   
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Yeah Nids can consume anything. Those digestion pools are no joke.

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 Flipsiders wrote:
Do Eldar and GSC have any reason to interact? I'm not too knowledgeable about either army's lore besides the basics.


Yes. No. Eldars attack humans for invading maiden worlds or because they see a problem in the future. (Think Golden Path from Dune, or the time branches from Loki.) Or Dark Eldars needing more fodder due to blood sports, internal politics, needs more slaves for the arena or wanting an opertunaty to shoot an 'allie' in the back. Eldar Pirates want to plunder. I am unsure about them and the harlequins. The new eldars, who wants to bring about Ynnead, would probably justefy anything that helps brining up this.

Most GSC would look like regular human settlements. Attacking these would probably trigger the underground army in addition to the regular local military. Dark Eldars can seek them out spesifically to get their genetic material (with mixed results.) And the people predicting the future can spesifically seek them out to stop trouble down the road.

If the eldars could, they would probably want to wipe out all tyranids and GSC. Many eldars would probably also want to wipe out other hostile aliens like humans as well. Although, some, like the dark eldar, would probably want humans around. You know, for fun. And so they have souls to drain so Slaneesh does not drain theirs.

   
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 Flipsiders wrote:
Do Eldar and GSC have any reason to interact? I'm not too knowledgeable about either army's lore besides the basics.

Asuryani (Craftworld Aeldari) are known to select battles based on their potential for mitigating future crises. If wiping out a GSC leads to a Hive Fleet not coming near a Craftworld and going somewhere else then they will act accordingly.
Drukhari (Commoraghite Aeldari) might launch a raid and accidentally trigger a GSC uprising. A lot of encounters between Xenos races and GSC are purely because the Cult gets close to being discovered or the interaction will interfere with the Cult's long-term plans.
Harlequins are in a similar boat to Asuryani with the whole predicting the future thing.

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-Guardsman- wrote:Custodes vs. Custodes has almost no chance of ever happening..
Actually, Custodes vs Custodes is probably the most likely matchup Custodes would have. The regularly participate in the Blood Games and training encounters to keep themselves sharp and on their toes. When they're not fighting the various enemies of mankind, they're fighting eachother for sparring.


If I had to say which factions have the least reason to interact, I'd say Dark Eldar versus any military installation. They can absolutely pick and choose their targets, short of being attacked at Commoragh (incredibly unlikely, to the point of near impossibility), so should be able to avoid nearly any actual combat encounter.


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I would say for the Drukhari it's a cost/risk kind of deal. It would be really risky to attack a group of Astartes but the payoff if you could capture some would be massive.
You might lose half your Kabalites but with the profit made from the Astartes being sold to the Arenas or Covens, an Archon could double their Kabal.

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