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Made in gb
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The utopia thread got me thinking that if there is a utopian world in the IOM it should be earth but I don’t believe it is. What sources do we have that describes life on Terra
   
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Terra is not utopia - it's massively overcrowded and always only hours away from mass starvation. It's nice enough if you're a High Lord, Rogue Trader, Navigator, etc. but hell if you're not.

The Blackstone Fortress novels have flashbacks set on Terra, while the 'Watchers of the Throne' & 'Vaults of Terra' series' are set there. It also features in 'War of the Beast' but that's set in M32.

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Preparing the Invasion of Terra






Lol no. Life is awful on Terra. It has almost no natural resources and IIRC exclusively gets food and water via trade imports. Terra is just as bad as any other Hive World when it come sto criminals, cults and other gribblies.
   
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Terra is a massive hive world entirely dependent on imports to sustain itself. In Chris Wraight's novels about Terra and the Custodes, Terra starts to experience starvation if the shipment is interrupted for even a single moment, though it is the lower classes that starve first. The climate is also hot due to all the waste heat of all the people on Terra. The rich upper classes live luxurious urban lives sustained off of offworld imports. The poor live the stereotypical drudgery of a hive worker or hive administratum clerk.

Terra is entirely covered over with hive and cityscape, unlike Necromunda for example which depicts hives separated by barren and empty industrial wasteland.

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I don't see why the centre of what in the settings own words is the "cruelest, bloodiest regime imaginable" is somewhere that "should" be a utopia.

An extremely over-crowded, resource-drained planet that's the focal point for a horrific regime, that no doubt gets an utterly absurd level of hyperbole through the Imperiums propaganda and religion. It's the usual problems Imperial Hive worlds face but up-scaled to a huge degree before having all that extra 'importance' and the negative consequences of that stuck ontop. Terra would likely be one of the *worst* worlds in the Imperium.

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In addition to being overcrowded and unpleasantly warm, most of the people who live on Terra do so in really unpleasant routines. We see a fair bit of this in various BL stories. Terra is the heart of imperial beuracracy. Much of the planet is basically a giant DMV that has become so inefficient, the paperwork people waste their lives filling out is irrelevant before it's done being processed. People make livings as "prospectors" digging through abandoned vaults of paperwork looking for clerical errors that they can report in exchange for rewards. And the eyes of organizations looking for signs of heretical free thought and self-expression are especially sharp an numerous there.

If you've seen the Bound for Glory episode of Hammer & Bolter on Warhammer +, picture those scribes' lives, but multiplied by billions. That story may be set on Terra, actually.


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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






Horrific, for the most part.

Being the seat of the Adeptus Terra? Earth isn’t so much a Hive World, as a Hive Office Block.

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Guilliman's talents are wasted crusading among the stars. Instead of bashing enemies with a flaming sword, he should be using his gifts for administration to restore some semblance of sanity to the government. While he did do some changes, it comes off as relatively superficial, even if it did involve replacing some High Lords, in that the focus was on organizing the logistics of the Indomitus Crusade. Although it could be argued he had to go out and save the other worlds, I could also see it as a big distraction by Chaos. While Guilliman is running around putting down the latest threat, he cannot enact deep lasting change.

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Iracundus wrote:
Guilliman's talents are wasted crusading among the stars. Instead of bashing enemies with a flaming sword, he should be using his gifts for administration to restore some semblance of sanity to the government. While he did do some changes, it comes off as relatively superficial, even if it did involve replacing some High Lords, in that the focus was on organizing the logistics of the Indomitus Crusade. Although it could be argued he had to go out and save the other worlds, I could also see it as a big distraction by Chaos. While Guilliman is running around putting down the latest threat, he cannot enact deep lasting change.


This isn’t entirely inaccurate.

However, first and foremost as a Primarch, he’s first and foremost a Warlord. That is what they were created for. Just as his place was on the frontline of the Great Crusade, his place currently remains on the front lines.

Second and second most? He’s the last Primarch. He’s a sorely needed figure head to lead the Indomitus Crusade. The opening of the great rift allows him to do nothing else. He has to be pushing back the darkness right now. The Imperium sorely needs the sorts of against all odds victories only Guilliman can provide.

Should some form of stability be recovered? Hell yes The Imperium could do far, far worse than let him sort out it’s overall logistics and governance etc. One of the worse is not letting him do that.

The Indomitus Crusade also allows him to gain a better and far more in depth understanding of what the Imperium actual is. And crucially, in terms of politicking, he will return in a far stronger position to start sorting things out that “hi kids, I’m the last Primarch. Sorry I slept in for a bit, but I’m in charge and Dad said you all have to take heed of me” did. Especially given the specific details of his miraculous resurrection…

Especially when you consider just how Astartes Chapters would owe him allegiance as their distantly related Primarch. If he’s not careful, any attempt to bring about a new order let alone a New Order could be seen as a new heresy….

   
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If RG unified the space marines to take over the imperium who would be able to stand against him? Would the custodes even want to?
   
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra






Lol of course they would. The Custodes hate the Space Marines for not being genetically encoded to only be loyal to the Emperor and ruining His vision with the Horus Heresy. There are legit Custodes 10k years later who still blame the Space Marines and basically look for any excuse to murder them. They're just as unhinged as everyone else.
   
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mrFickle wrote:
If RG unified the space marines to take over the imperium who would be able to stand against him? Would the custodes even want to?


Imagine a situation in which the Demi-God Guilliman musters a million Astartes to take over the Imperium in the name of enlightment... and then the Imperium "traditionalists" muster billions (or perhaps trillions) of Ad Mech, Sorotitas, Scions and other capable fighters.

The epic confrontation lasts the most part of a weekend. The Astartes confront the fact that they are only a small part of the Imperium War machine and that the glory days of the Great Crusade are long go. Space marines are decimated and the last surviving remmants join the Heretic Astartes in their fight against the Golden Throne.

This of course would be the prelude for GW to erase the loyalists "firstborn" and "primaris" marines altogether and create a new line of loyalist supersoldiers... lets call them "Astartes 3.0" than will blow the mind out of everyone on the tabletop... finally the IOM has a force of supersoldiers that are not rebellious and petty and can be mass produced... the reconquering of the Galaxy can start again... the Emperor rises again from the Golden Throne after his Sword has been return to him from the dead hands of the last Primarch.

Because all this time Cawl have been working secretly with the Emperor to ditch out the Astartes as we know them... unexpected plot twist ... Lets the Imperial Rennaissance began.

PD: Corporate Workshop will never have the balls to play this scenario, but if they did they would have my eternal respect.
   
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Terra really sucks /thread

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