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Is there any place to see the new Anihilator warscroll? I want to see how they differ with the different loadouts, but I don't know where they are anyore.

 Niiai wrote:
Is there any place to see the new Anihilator warscroll? I want to see how they differ with the different loadouts, but I don't know where they are anyore.

You can see them in the AoS App, you don't need the battletome to read the warscrolls.

I also saw that they are two different warscrolls. Not the regular one with a weapon swap. Oh well.

Battlescribe.

Also, the Annihilators w/ Shields and the ones with Great Hammers have different points costs.

If the point cost was even it would be a good choice; give up defense for extra offense. But with the two handers costing more it isn't worth it (right now).

I've got two kits arriving tomorrow, and looking at the sprues I'm hopeful magnetising the arms will be straightforward. Looks like I should be able to glue the shoulder on just have the arms slot in.

 Stux wrote:
I've got two kits arriving tomorrow, and looking at the sprues I'm hopeful magnetising the arms will be straightforward. Looks like I should be able to glue the shoulder on just have the arms slot in.

I've built 6 grandhammers so far and you should very easily be able to magnetise the arms.

I did not know it was two different datasheets.

 Niiai wrote:
I did not know it was two different datasheets.

Its so they can have different point costs basically, as Sigmar doesn't use different point values for weapons.

They could have them be the same warscroll, but GW design philosophy right now seems to put value on high numbers of unit entries. I think they think that having a higher number is automatically and always a good thing.

Annihilators with hammer & shield: XXX
Annihilators with grandhammers: YYY

Annihilators
-With hammer & shield: XXX
-With grandhammers: YYY

So I got in two back to back games today, testing Grandhammers v Shields. Grandhammers get the win, they are so punishing and it's so easy to buff them to hit/wound 2+ making it pretty easy to get between 12 and 18 damage through on most units.

The shields were, okay. I used them as objective holders, but found I'd rather have the extra point of damage and the extra rend as opposed to the 2+ save. When paired with units like the Knight-Vex with Apoth and Yndrastra, they just keep brining the pain (even better on the grandhammers!)

Thunderstrike units in Scions are really nuts power wise. Faced off both times against some pretty tanky Bonereapers lists and the pain train just wouldn't stop!

You were using Annihilators... as objective holders?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
You were using Annihilators... as objective holders?

Deepstruck on an obj my opponent was holding, contested it and eventually took it, held it the rest of the game. Hammer/Shield just isn't all that great in the DMG department and the 2+ save isn't really all that impressive due to how much Rend 1 there is now. Though I held it more due to the fact it was an outlier and his bonereapers are slower than tree sap and couldn't reach it in time.

I am getting my hands on two copies of the dominus sett. I will try to drop them down from deepstrike and charge. I really lile the 2+ save in a flank of the enemy.

 Togusa wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
You were using Annihilators... as objective holders?

Deepstruck on an obj my opponent was holding, contested it and eventually took it, held it the rest of the game. Hammer/Shield just isn't all that great in the DMG department and the 2+ save isn't really all that impressive due to how much Rend 1 there is now. Though I held it more due to the fact it was an outlier and his bonereapers are slower than tree sap and couldn't reach it in time.

This is the right way to play shields.

It is a very expensive way to put 3 models on an objective, to be sure.

3 models that can do some damage so aren't thwarted by some backfield campers.

Goal of game is getting objectives.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is a very expensive way to put 3 models on an objective, to be sure.

It is, but it works quite well. It's kind of funny, AoS Annihilators play the way I've always imagined 40K Terminators playing.

I might be biased, but every Annihilator I've played against die in droves. But, I've played against them using Skaven, with a nasty brick of Stormfriends behind the only thing to charge being Clan Rats, or Kruleboyz and all their lovely mortal wounds.

They're pretty paper in the grand scheme.

 Thadin wrote:
I might be biased, but every Annihilator I've played against die in droves. But, I've played against them using Skaven, with a nasty brick of Stormfriends behind the only thing to charge being Clan Rats, or Kruleboyz and all their lovely mortal wounds.

They're pretty paper in the grand scheme.

From our earlier discussion recall that my group plays casually and usually doesn't bring competitive stuff or use competitive tactics like wrapping or walls. So it's likely to have differing experiences between the two.

 Thadin wrote:
I might be biased, but every Annihilator I've played against die in droves. But, I've played against them using Skaven, with a nasty brick of Stormfriends behind the only thing to charge being Clan Rats, or Kruleboyz and all their lovely mortal wounds.

They're pretty paper in the grand scheme.

Yeah, that's why I see the shields as superior (at the current point values). Most of the damage is from their initial drop & charge, then my opponent needs to allocate mortal wound offense to get rid of them. They die in short order either way, so the question is how much of a pain will it be for my opponent to do it. The extra damage from great weapons is nice even considering the worse save, but it isn't 40 points nice.

As objective campers though, that part I just don't get.

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I would be satisfied with Grandhammer Annihilators being the same as the same cost as the shielded sorts.

I have to disagree with saying that protecting the important parts of your army from being slammed and alpha-striked is a "competitive" strategy. Is it used in a Competitive setting? Yes, sure. But also, it's just good gameplay to not allow the enemy to slaughter your important bits.