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Apologies if this is the wrong section or redundant with another thread. Nothing jumped out at me when I used the Recent Topics tool. I figured this thread could cover both the kits that have been previewed so far and any new ones that get announced in the next month or so.

So yeah. Craftworlders are getting new models. Let's talk about them. We've got...

Reapers: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/17/revamped-rearmed-and-extra-grim-aeldari-dark-reapers-are-back-in-plastic/
An Autarch: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/10/the-new-autarch-always-has-the-right-tool-for-the-job/
Guardians: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/03/new-plastic-aeldari-guardians/
Rangesr and Rangers on Bikes: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/25/new-asuryani-clash-with-chaos-space-marines-in-the-next-warhammer-40000-battlebox/

Personally, I really like what we've seen so far.

Reapers: The sensor vanes are still kind of silly, and the models aren't dramatically different from what we've had in the past, but being plastic is worth a lot.

The Autarch: I kind of wish the pose was more interesting, but it seems like they might be shifting back to swiss army autarchs. Which is nice. Plus, this might be the first obviously female autarch sculpt we've ever had?

Guardians: Seems like the overall design is remaining largely the same, but the updated heads and more dynamic poses are worth a lot as is being made of plastic (hello conversion city!). The new belly button plate similar to banshee armor that appears on some of the new models is cool too. I already have tons of guardians, but I still want a box of these for the conversion possibilities alone. Plus, I'm curious to see what they do with stormies.

Rangers: Cool models with some crisp and pretty details, but I really wish they'd mixed up the poses a bit. The pewter dudes at least had a crouching pose. That wonky gizmo the monocle guy is holding looks cool, and I love the Kurnous statue. All the statues they've been putting in new kits, really.

Shroud Runners: Possibly my favorite of the new kits we've seen so far. While I'm worried they won't be able to balance these guys against existing windrunners, I love the silhouette of these. Plus, there's a nice blend of machine, cloth, and hair on these that most of our kits don't have. The variety of textures you can put on these alone could make them really beautiful. They also seem pretty fluffy for my Iybraesil army, so I'm probably going to pick up a box even if their rules stink.


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Dark Reapers still look silly as hell. I am quite disappointed that they don't update it to a more modern look like that they did to the Space Marines.

Just Google the Japanese Shinigami mask and imagine how good they will look on Dark Reapers.
   
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For me the changes are negligible. Kind of pointless.

I remember the revamp of the Dark Eldar range or the Death Guard range. That's something that makes sense. I see no point in replacing old models with new ones that look exactly the same
   
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Can't stand the reaper heads. Wondered if it was one of those initial takes bad, third take "eh, its growing on me".

But no.
They look terrible.

Everything else is great.
   
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Long time Eldar player and fan. I love the new models. The old models were great, and the designs felt perfect to me. Getting them updated with better details and (most importantly) getting the models in plastic is great to me!
I'm glad they're not radically changing the look of the models, don't fix what isn't broken (and don't change things just for the sake of change).
   
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bibotot wrote:
Just Google the Japanese Shinigami mask and imagine how good they will look on Dark Reapers.


I see where you're going with that, but equally I think - and I believe someone like Jes certainly would - that it would be treading a bit too heavily on the toes of the Harlequins; not just as a mask, but the whole aesthetic.
   
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As a fan of Jes Goodwin's Aspect designs since Rogue Trader, I am very excited for the new kits. The details on the plastic Banshees are very crisp and detailed,yet retain the classic look. I am very happy to see the models are more of a refresh to their classic design.

I feel the same way regarding the Rangers. I really like the design from the 4th edition era Rangers and the new kit appears to sharpen the details.

I already have 80+ Guardians painted, but I will buy a box or two at first. I like the plastic Guardian kit, but it is @ 16 pieces to build a single Guardian, which is a bit too fiddly. The mold line locations and sprue attachments are in poor locations across the models. Definitely looking forward to these.

All in all. I will be adding all to my collection.

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I like them all. I think the commentary on the reaper helmets is overblown and they'll look better with more depth to the painting.

The thing I like the least (and it's really minor) is just how static the autarch looks.

It would have been nice to have another pair of dynamic legs

   
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All I really wanted from Eldar is plastic Aspect Warriors, so I'm happy to see the Dark Reapers (although I would like to have seen their stupid halloween pumpkin faces get fixed). Think I'll prob get some and just smooth off the faces like Guardian helmets, comme ça:



The revised/refined Guardians kit looks good (although I thought the existing one was fine bar the bare heads tbh).

The Autarch is fine I guess – options is always a good thing, but the scenic rock base looks like an afterthought on a model that was initially sculpted to be standing on flat ground, and the pose is a little plain.

Don't really care about Rangers or those new jetbikes, but that's just personal preference.

Whether or not I dive in on Eldar at this point largely hinges on how I feel about the new Avatar when we see it.

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 Hellebore wrote:
I like them all. I think the commentary on the reaper helmets is overblown and they'll look better with more depth to the painting.

The thing I like the least (and it's really minor) is just how static the autarch looks.

It would have been nice to have another pair of dynamic legs


I hate the oblique pose of the autarch, I'd defintiely skip the scenic base and put the model on a regular flat base if I were an eldar player.

But the models look really great, much better than any primaris/gravis dude ever released.

 
   
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 Blackie wrote:


I hate the oblique pose of the autarch, I'd defintiely skip the scenic base and put the model on a regular flat base if I were an eldar player.



Yeah, it looks much better just flat.

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@ Reapers: I would really, really prefer if helmeted Exarch head was the standard one. It best combines the OG style with later cues. Guess I’ll either try to hunt more of those or sculpt cones onto basic ones. Hooded head is silly when there is no other piece of fabric on the model. But sculptinc some kind of cape should not be a problem.

@Autarch: really unispired model. I get that Swiss army model has to have some compromises, but come on, the fusion gun pose is ridiculous and reaper launcher in low position overweights this side model. Reaper Exarch does single hand pose way better.

@rangers: those suffer from the same problem as AdMech - plastic is a gak medium for textiles and all plastic coats look way worse than resin coats. Overall they are ok, but I won’t upgrade my resin ones.

@shroud runners: have the the same coat problem as foot version, but overall a nice unit.

@warlock: if the potato cam helmet is the only choice and there is no classic variant available I either won’t upgrade or will decapitate my metal ones and convert old heads into new sculpt.

@Shining spears: potato cam photo is too little to tell anything really, but I like the current asymmetric armour a lot, so there is a lot of room for GW to feth them up for me.

@avatar: I don’t think I’ll prefer the new plastic over FW one, because plastic does not allow the perfect molten look the FW one has. Too little surface detail is possible in plastic, and such erratic crack lines would pretty much require each panel to be separate piece. But I guess we’ll see.

@maugan: him I’m most excited about. It is my favourite PL sculpt and from tease we saw it looks like he is refreshed quite closely. Of course the devil is in the detail, just as lower hair part spoils the new Jain Zar for me. So again, we’ll see.
   
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I'm glad to see Craftworlds get an update, but I'm not personally all that excited for any of these models.

An autarch with options is _great_, but the model is... ok.
Guardians with storm guardian options and plastic rangers are fine, but not exciting (and the rangers are a bit busy, imo)

I was excited for Reapers, but apparently more for just the idea of Reapers and not this particular execution.

Would have much rather had scorpions and spiders than either of the bike units.


So... maybe a christmas box or something will inspire me later, but for right now they're a 'glad to see on the other side of the table' army.

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Couldn’t we replace this thread with a poll, yiu like the models or not, it’s only going to be opinion.


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Ps. I like them. Not the reaper heads, but didn’t like the old ones they are copies off either. So no news there.

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I think the models are fine. I've never been a fan of the Dark Reaper aesthetic in any their forms so seeing them staying true to the 4th edition resculpt doesn't bother me.

Mostly this seems to be about finally moving them to plastic and not about doing any reimagining or redesigning like DE got back in 5th. So I'm not sure what people expected from the Autarch kit, for example. The originals in 4th were the same. This kit just merges a couple of the models into one, more flexible kit. I think if we're going to see any significant redesigns it will be for the spiders and hawks, the oldest kits. I think spiders won't change much, but hawks will look more like the current winged Autarch.

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I love most of it, and at least like all of it.

Was a bit concerned about Lego-face Reapers, but I think paint can help at least somewhat, and I like everything else about them.
   
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While I would personally have preferred a major update to their overall aesthetic (in line with... well) I'm at least happy that the Eldar are getting a proper plastic baseline for everything, and in general they're not my army.

The Reapers' legs remind me of Guyver.

   
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nou wrote:
@rangers: those suffer from the same problem as AdMech - plastic is a gak medium for textiles and all plastic coats look way worse than resin coats. Overall they are ok, but I won’t upgrade my resin ones.

You what?

Something that actually looks like cloth is bad for textiles? Have you ever seen resin cloaks with pieces centimeters thick? If there is a gak medium for fabric, it's resin, just look at this nonsense - the "cape" is thicker than his torso! The entirety of green bit is supposed to be an "edge"...



   
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Regarding Reapers: they could have given us carbon copies of some of the OG metal gorilla-faced Reapers, but in Plastic, and it would STILL be leaps and bounds better than failcast.
Plastic is better, even if you dislike the design.

That said, what the hell is wrong with the design? It's SUPPOSED to look "cartoonish". Or at least it's not supposed to be a realistic depiction. It's a stylized representation of Death. And it's very in line with other Eldar aesthetics. Hawk wings, for example, do not look like highly detailed feathers, but rather simplified overlapping shapes that evoke feathers.

Eldar were also present during the War in Heaven (Old Ones vs the Necrons) and Eldar may associate the visage of Necrons with their myth cycles involving Death.
Reaper faces have ALWAYS looked uncannily like Necrons faces- a stylized version of a skull. Simplified, yet instantly recognizable.

You can also look at it this way: Eldar are so arrogant that they can wear this kind of mask in mockery of the lesser races.

   
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 Irbis wrote:
nou wrote:
@rangers: those suffer from the same problem as AdMech - plastic is a gak medium for textiles and all plastic coats look way worse than resin coats. Overall they are ok, but I won’t upgrade my resin ones.

You what?

Something that actually looks like cloth is bad for textiles? Have you ever seen resin cloaks with pieces centimeters thick? If there is a gak medium for fabric, it's resin, just look at this nonsense - the "cape" is thicker than his torso! The entirety of green bit is supposed to be an "edge"...





You're mistaking monoblock vs partial casting limitations with resin vs plastic limitations. If you want a better comparison, then go to Forgeworld and look at resin Jagathai Khan and then go to GW site and look at plastic Sigvald.

Or, you know, simply compare the detail of draping and cloth flow between new rangers and old rangers to see exactly what I'm talking about.
   
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nou wrote:


You're mistaking monoblock vs partial casting limitations with resin vs plastic limitations. If you want a better comparison, then go to Forgeworld and look at resin Jagathai Khan and then go to GW site and look at plastic Sigvald.

Or, you know, simply compare the detail of draping and cloth flow between new rangers and old rangers to see exactly what I'm talking about.


if we're gonna cherry-pick our examples then i'd suggest you take a look a the exalted sorcerer kits for nice plastic capes.

Quality of the sculpt isnt tied to the material.
   
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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
nou wrote:


You're mistaking monoblock vs partial casting limitations with resin vs plastic limitations. If you want a better comparison, then go to Forgeworld and look at resin Jagathai Khan and then go to GW site and look at plastic Sigvald.

Or, you know, simply compare the detail of draping and cloth flow between new rangers and old rangers to see exactly what I'm talking about.


if we're gonna cherry-pick our examples then i'd suggest you take a look a the exalted sorcerer kits for nice plastic capes.

Quality of the sculpt isnt tied to the material.


Those are better but even those suffer from the exact same problem of rigid plastic moulds and no undercuts possible. It’s not cherry picking, there are obvious and well known limitations to plastic process and you would have to cut plastic cloth sculpts to gazilion pieces to allow S shaped folds or overlays and overall classic marble sculpt level of draping detail which is easily possible with resin and silicon moulds. It is really simple - as long as you go for multi-part sculpt you can always make a better fabric rendition with resin than with plastic. You can also make better textures, better detail density and better detail sharpness than with plastic. Go and compare original 4th ed Shadowseer in metal and basically the same sculpt translated to modern plastic - all edges have to be softer with plastic process to allow release from rigid mould. Or the original FW Trygon to it’s adaptation to plastic process and see how much detail had to be dropped. The main limitation of resin is temperature stability which affects long, thin parts like antennae, swords or barrels the most, and the main drawback from GW standpoint is limited production volume compared to mass produced plastic. But when it comes to raw sculpting possibilities resin is far superior to plastic.
   
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Yeah but the cloaks still look good and they have plastic gun barrels now and not the terrible resin ones that will snap if you so much as breathe near them.

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No amount of finer detail will ever make me prefer resin or metal over plastic.

I'm sorry but the hassle is just not worth it for the difference in quality for what to me are nice gaming pieces. And in plastic they still look extremely good or in the case of MESBG miniatures jumping from extremely old resin/metal miniatures to nicer plastic ones is also a jump in overall aesthetics (Compare old witch king with the new one)

I'm not collector or painter that buys stuff just to put in a cavinet.

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 Galef wrote:

That said, what the hell is wrong with the design? It's SUPPOSED to look "cartoonish". Or at least it's not supposed to be a realistic depiction. It's a stylized representation of Death. And it's very in line with other Eldar aesthetics. Hawk wings, for example, do not look like highly detailed feathers, but rather simplified overlapping shapes that evoke feathers.

For me, it's more about the vanes on the sides of the helmets than the main helmet part itself. Imagine wearing those things in a strong wind. That said, the skull part could be a bit cooler. Something like the death jester's face:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Harlequin-Death-Jester
To me, the death jester's mask is closer to the swooping hawk wings in terms of evoking the imagery of something organic without literally trying to look like that actual organic thing. Like, the jester's mask is obviously still stylized, but isn't just a >: =|= face. Again, the skulls don't bug me but could've been better. Picture a whole squad of jester-esque skull helmets.


Eldar were also present during the War in Heaven (Old Ones vs the Necrons) and Eldar may associate the visage of Necrons with their myth cycles involving Death.
Reaper faces have ALWAYS looked uncannily like Necrons faces- a stylized version of a skull. Simplified, yet instantly recognizable.

Am I crazy, or is there old fluff about the Nightbringer introducing the concept of permanent death to the aeldari. Basically, he killed them so hard that he left a new notion of death on their collective psyche.

Edit: You could also just sort of flip the sensor vanes sideways and give them a sort of skull mask + samurai helmet look. I feel like that could still convey the idea that they're sensors while also adding to the feeling that reapers are wearing heavier armor than other aspects.

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As a long-term Eldar players with lots of tourney played with this army,
I'm not really excited about the new models.

Guardians (as poets and philosophers) only go to war in great despair.
They should be part of each Eldar collection but their value as troops is very limited.

Dark Reapers saves my ass several times. They are decent but the fail-cast models were fully sufficient.

Autarch should be mounted on jetbike and not hoof around the battlefield.

Rangers on jetbikes could be interesting. Definitely get some unit if playable.

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