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2022/01/18 20:45:53
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Preacher of the Emperor
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The other recent post https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/802803.page discussing table sizes made me wonder how many people actually cut down their mats.
I have some friends that cut theirs, and others that use tape to mark it off. I was wondering what the community at large does.
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2022/01/18 20:49:29
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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6x4, not cut.
Play on the full size unless the mission would be actually impacted. I think the only time we did block off parts was for a game where one of the objectives was to get units off your opponent’s edge. The only time where the situation warranted bothering to adjust the size.
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2022/01/18 20:56:10
Subject: Re:Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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even if you did insist on playing on the "regulation" size, i think you shouldn't cut down a board, just mark out the new size and play on that with an extended "shelf" around it. i cant think of a single reason to cut down a perfectly good game mat, especially since GW can just push the board size back up anytime they want to.
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To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
Coven of XVth 2000pts
The Blades of Ruin 2,000pts Watch Company Rho 1650pts
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2022/01/18 21:01:42
Subject: Re:Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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xerxeskingofking wrote:even if you did insist on playing on the "regulation" size, i think you shouldn't cut down a board, just mark out the new size and play on that with an extended "shelf" around it. i cant think of a single reason to cut down a perfectly good game mat, especially since GW can just push the board size back up anytime they want to.
I could see cutting it down if it makes a difference if it fits on your table or not. Playing with the edges hanging off is not the best.
I bought a pair of folding tables to put my mat on, so not an issue for me.
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2022/01/18 21:03:07
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I prefer playing on larger boards anyway. Wouldn't cut any of mine unless both parts would fit some purpose, which isn't happening, so no.
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2022/01/18 21:32:58
Subject: Re:Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Nevelon wrote:xerxeskingofking wrote:even if you did insist on playing on the "regulation" size, i think you shouldn't cut down a board, just mark out the new size and play on that with an extended "shelf" around it. i cant think of a single reason to cut down a perfectly good game mat, especially since GW can just push the board size back up anytime they want to.
I could see cutting it down if it makes a difference if it fits on your table or not. Playing with the edges hanging off is not the best.
I bought a pair of folding tables to put my mat on, so not an issue for me.
oh, aggreed, i happen to play mainly 1k games on the "regulation" mat size for that, but thats becuase i;ve been playing at the house of the only 40k mate i have, where we dont have space for a bigger game size or map.
but i dont consider that to be "cutting down", just starting small. i 100% do not believe that you should take a hacksaw or scissors to your pre-existing mat. at best, just mark the smaller size and play on that subsection. like i said, in a few years GW might decided with the launch of 10th ed to "listen to the fans" and go back to 6x4.
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To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
Coven of XVth 2000pts
The Blades of Ruin 2,000pts Watch Company Rho 1650pts
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2022/01/18 21:42:48
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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I don't play 9th, even if I did I wouldn't be playing exclusively 9th, and even if I was "recommended minimum table size" does not equal "all people must play on only this table size from now until we change our minds again and they have to buy new mats."
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2022/01/19 08:09:48
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Waaagh! Ork Warboss
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The point of playing with smaller mats at home is to fit tables sizes. If the larger mat already fits there's no need to cut it, just put impassible terrain on the areas that need to be cut or even some tape if you want to reduce the size to the current minimum of 60'' x 44''. But don't ruin the mat.
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2022/01/19 08:22:56
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Personally, I don't really get the whole mat thing. I got back to playing occasionally some time ago, but haven't actually seen one in the flesh yet. And before, I don't think that they actually existed. And besides, I prefer a more three-dimensional look to things.
But, if I were to have one, I certainly wouldn't be cutting it down just like I'm not cutting down my current game table structure. It's just not worth the effort and is so incredibly limiting. There after all are countless other games in the world and GW isn't exactly known for being very steady in their course (except for the one towards ever more bloat).
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2022/01/19 08:42:09
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Blackie wrote:The point of playing with smaller mats at home is to fit tables sizes. If the larger mat already fits there's no need to cut it, just put impassible terrain on the areas that need to be cut or even some tape if you want to reduce the size to the current minimum of 60'' x 44''. But don't ruin the mat.
This. We use black/yellow hazard to tape off mats, as it fits the look. Otherwise use barricades and rocks to block off extra space.
If you cut it yourself, there is a chance to ruin the edges, which then causes them to unravel. I'd rather buy a 60x44 mat directly and try to sell the old one. Automatically Appended Next Post: Dolnikan wrote:Personally, I don't really get the whole mat thing. I got back to playing occasionally some time ago, but haven't actually seen one in the flesh yet. And before, I don't think that they actually existed. And besides, I prefer a more three-dimensional look to things.
The reason for mats is mostly storage space and ease of transport.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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2022/01/19 09:00:16
Subject: Re:Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Experienced Maneater
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Cutting down gaming mats and even scratchbuild gaming tables for GW games seems insane to me. Next edition, they could go to: minimum table size 40x64 or whatever it is; recommended table size 6x4
I continue to play AoS on 6x4 as it works way better than the smaller size, I also play games that require 4x4, 3x3 and 2x2. I can just measure out the field size and put terrain there? They tend to be objective or cover based anyway, so why would I ever wander out in the open?
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2022/01/19 09:05:57
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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I have 10 mats. Two of them are 4x4s. The rest are 6x4s. The thought of cutting them down is pure lunacy.
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2022/01/19 11:03:27
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Nah. Not going to make my gaming worse just for other people's money making system. And eventually gw changes minimum size anyway.
Also 6'x4' is just as recommended by GW as 60x44. One is just MINIMUM.
And playtesting wasn't even involved on which was better. Smaller was fiat accomplish and zero input from playtesting taken. Which isn't surprising since it was sales dictated decision. In short: ££££££££ for GW.
Well...I'm not running tournaments where I need to cram more players to room for more profit so the only reason for smaller boards that makes sense doesn't apply to me.
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2022/01/19 12:52:35
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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I chose to draw the new size on mats with various colored sharpies as close to the matt primary colors as i could get. measured several times, taped off just the outside with masking tape to get it square and then drew the inner size. measure objectives and all through the new board size but people can move to use the whole matt once the battle starts
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2022/01/19 13:22:16
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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I own over 30 mats, all but 1 are 6x4 (the other one is 4x4). I would never dream of cutting them, and I think anyone who would is some shade of psychopath. GW could reverse course on table sizes at any time, rendering cut down mats useless. Besides that, most games have not embraced the lunacy of GWs arbitrary table sizes, as such my 6x4 mats give me the most utility in terms of playing other games. As I prefer playing 40k and AoS on 6x4, I am content to leave my mats as-is, but some of my friends prefer to play "by the book" as it were, in which case I bought the FLG conversion kit to overlay my 6x4 mats and temporarily convert them into the 60x44 standard.
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2022/01/19 14:50:13
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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tneva82 wrote:And playtesting wasn't even involved on which was better. Smaller was fiat accomplish and zero input from playtesting taken.
This is false. Multiple playtesters have talked about the smaller boards and their impact on melee before 9th was released.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2022/01/19 15:07:36
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Have multiple sized mats and haven't cut any down. There are more games than Warhammer that use different sizes.
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2022/01/19 15:15:15
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Jidmah wrote: Blackie wrote:T
Dolnikan wrote:Personally, I don't really get the whole mat thing. I got back to playing occasionally some time ago, but haven't actually seen one in the flesh yet. And before, I don't think that they actually existed. And besides, I prefer a more three-dimensional look to things.
The reason for mats is mostly storage space and ease of transport.
Ah, so they're just a simple solution to have a basic surface then. That makes sense. And I have to be honest, my setup is good for storage (there is space under the bed for instance) but it's not something I would just take over to a friend's place. Not when also transporting anything else at all.
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2022/01/19 15:27:47
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Yeah, pretty sure playtesters were aware, seem to recall Reece of FLG discussing that they had playtested the smaller game sizes extensively and were in favor of them. They also announced preorders for GW sized versions of their playmats within a few days of GW disclosing the new table sizes (which I remember because it seemed unethical/a conflict of interest on their/GWs part to give them preferential treatment/access to this information which they could then immediately spin to their own financial gain).
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2022/01/19 15:28:38
Subject: Re:Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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i'd never cut my mats for the simple reason that 40k isnt the only game i play.
40k (44x60)
GrimdarkFuture (6x4)
Infinity (4x4)
Warfleet FTL (6x4)
yeah, i don't care abuot 40k enough to affect the other games i play
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2022/01/19 15:36:01
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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one of the guys at our club just made spacers we put on our 4x6 tables and mats on demand, turning them into 44x60 tables - works great as our tables all have a frame to keep stuff from rolling off of the table.
-> no mats where harmed in the process ;-)
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2022/01/19 20:54:29
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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nekooni wrote:one of the guys at our club just made spacers we put on our 4x6 tables and mats on demand, turning them into 44x60 tables - works great as our tables all have a frame to keep stuff from rolling off of the table.
-> no mats where harmed in the process ;-)
Same with mine. Seems to be the best solution.
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2022/01/19 21:10:02
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Pious Palatine
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Painter's tape works fine. Especially considering I still need the full 6' for legion. Automatically Appended Next Post: Jidmah wrote:tneva82 wrote:And playtesting wasn't even involved on which was better. Smaller was fiat accomplish and zero input from playtesting taken.
This is false. Multiple playtesters have talked about the smaller boards and their impact on melee before 9th was released.
Yeah, even I remember multiple playtesters talking about the smaller size.
Anecdotally, I prefer the smaller size because you always seemed to end up with a 6" strip along the edges that was totally empty anyway.
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2022/01/19 21:31:42
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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It's just a random recommendation I don't even follow. Also, I'm using the map for 4 different gaming systems and only 40K now suggests that smaller size (it's not even a rule). We also don't care about tournaments so all in all there's really no reason to damage my map.
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2022/01/19 21:33:44
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Im not a fan of the smaller tables and play multiple different games, so Im in no rush to cut down mats. Painters tape fixes the issue in about 30 seconds anyways.
I hope we go back to 6x4 personally. The table feels way too cramped for armies like IG, orks and nids. I can get where more elite armies dont mind but if GW is gonna insist on these bigger armies we need bigger tables to compensate in my opinion. If I bring an infantry heavy guard army I can have issues fitting everything in with certain terrain setups.
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2022/01/20 12:25:30
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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MrMoustaffa wrote:Im not a fan of the smaller tables and play multiple different games, so Im in no rush to cut down mats. Painters tape fixes the issue in about 30 seconds anyways.
I hope we go back to 6x4 personally. The table feels way too cramped for armies like IG, orks and nids. I can get where more elite armies dont mind but if GW is gonna insist on these bigger armies we need bigger tables to compensate in my opinion. If I bring an infantry heavy guard army I can have issues fitting everything in with certain terrain setups.
as an ork an sometimes nid player i would disagree, smaller tabels means less death trying to reach assaults as the opponent castles up across the table shooting. Granted the new scoring system helps a lot there, no more the just hold objectives at the end of the game. in 7th is was *put orks down* everythign ihad was shot of fthe table turn 2 then the opponent walked up to hold all the objectives (it does not help that 7th edition ork codex is in the running for worst codex gw ever made and even most hardcore ork players stopped playing orks)
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2022/01/20 12:38:14
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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G00fySmiley wrote: MrMoustaffa wrote:Im not a fan of the smaller tables and play multiple different games, so Im in no rush to cut down mats. Painters tape fixes the issue in about 30 seconds anyways.
I hope we go back to 6x4 personally. The table feels way too cramped for armies like IG, orks and nids. I can get where more elite armies dont mind but if GW is gonna insist on these bigger armies we need bigger tables to compensate in my opinion. If I bring an infantry heavy guard army I can have issues fitting everything in with certain terrain setups.
as an ork an sometimes nid player i would disagree, smaller tabels means less death trying to reach assaults as the opponent castles up across the table shooting. Granted the new scoring system helps a lot there, no more the just hold objectives at the end of the game. in 7th is was *put orks down* everythign ihad was shot of fthe table turn 2 then the opponent walked up to hold all the objectives (it does not help that 7th edition ork codex is in the running for worst codex gw ever made and even most hardcore ork players stopped playing orks)
You have same distance to enemy DZ anyway. And if opponent wants to deploy on his backlines...congrats. You just won. a) he won't be in objectives b) he won't be able to shoot anything(you DO have tables covered properly? Deploying on back edge and able to shoot at will should be impossible without LOS ignoring weapons).
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2022/01/20 12:42:01
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Personally, we're really enjoying the 30"x44" size for Combat Patrol games.
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2022/01/20 13:09:00
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I have a couple of mats that I bought last edition. I haven't cut them down. We've played some smaller games on a couple of kill team boards but anything 1000 points has been 4x4 and anything larger will be on 6x4. I'm not sure why you'd play on a smaller board if you had a choice. We have played 2000 point games during 4th-6th edition on an 8x5. I'd be doing the same now if it were still practical.
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2022/01/21 19:52:31
Subject: Cutting Down Gaming Mats
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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I have a realm of battle sector imperialis so I won't be cutting that down. I like necromunda on 4x4 and still use 6x4 for 30k games. I will probably do something with the paint job to mark off a 60x44 playing area
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