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The next Chapter Approved has free points!

But that's not the important part.

Secondaries are all getting consolidated and redone, which means armies like DE with easy secondaries will hopefully have a harder time scoring them, which can take their win rates down. And if they make useful secondaries out of some of the stinkers other armies could see improvements.

We also get half CP to start, but extra CP per turn ( I imagine 2 instead of 1 ). This makes it a lot harder to stack on all the relics, traits, and pre-game buffs and then also launch a full strength battery of strats.

I know that this functionally limits me to only so many relics and no extra detachments. If I have a squad of 10 terminators I NEED 3CP to start the game - especially if I don't go first. How does your army change with this consideration?

I'm quite looking forward to this next season.

Good change IMO, getting ever closer to the complete removal of Stratagems

 Daedalus81 wrote:
But that's not the important part.

Yes it is.

Proves that if you hit GW over the head with something for long enough they will make changes for the good. First the Autarch, now this.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Good change IMO, getting ever closer to the complete removal of Stratagems

I do like lower strat use. I expect that people will have a very hard time giving up their options and so most armies will start with very few CP.

Have to wait to see how Guard does. We tend to blow through our CP rather fast. However, there's a chance it might hurt our opponents more than us.

Link, man, link! I had to go look for myself and that's just cruel!

Arcanis161 wrote:
Have to wait to see how Guard does. We tend to blow through our CP rather fast. However, there's a chance it might hurt our opponents more than us.

Hopefully their CP dependence changes with the new codex.

Never took GK relics and I only run one detachment. Less CP is not fun, harder to do secondaries will have to be looked. If they are just a bit harder, meh doesn't matter, if suddenly GK psychic objective are as good as they were before the codex, and everyone else doesn't get nerfed just as hard, it maybe a problem for me. For GK of the not my type it doesn't seem that bad.

In the end it depends a lot on how hard other armies will be hit, and what will be done to armies that can soup up or dual detachment without losing any rules.

Catulle wrote:
Link, man, link! I had to go look for myself and that's just cruel!

If it helps:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/revealed-chapter-approved-kicks-off-a-new-season-of-warhammer-40000/


Its a bizarrely informative WarCom article, to be honest. High info, little wibbling.

Karol wrote:
Less CP is not fun

hard disagree, just like playing at a lower pts level, it means you can't just take everything you want and still have all your powerful stratagem combos

Yeah, when my special ammo, shields from having nemezis staffs etc stop being "on stratagem activiation" I can talk about that.

In case of my dudes, stratagems are not "taking everything" it is using stuff other armies have as a basic rule build in to their units or straight up gear.

Karol wrote:
Less CP is not fun

While I agree generally I think it is less fun for your opponent to front load their CP on you especially if they have a better book.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
But that's not the important part.

Yes it is.

Proves that if you hit GW over the head with something for long enough they will make changes for the good. First the Autarch, now this.

Well, yes, I agree. I was just being slightly silly.

Voss wrote:

Catulle wrote:
Link, man, link! I had to go look for myself and that's just cruel!

If it helps:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/revealed-chapter-approved-kicks-off-a-new-season-of-warhammer-40000/


Its a bizarrely informative WarCom article, to be honest. High info, little wibbling.

What worries me is the "...on the app" caging. I want to believe they'll put in into book errata, but...

Points also in whc site(says so right there). Rest(cp etc) in book

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Karol wrote:
Less CP is not fun

hard disagree, just like playing at a lower pts level, it means you can't just take everything you want and still have all your powerful stratagem combos

Mostly agree. Kinda sucks when most of your vehicles cost CP.

 Daedalus81 wrote:


While I agree generally I think it is less fun for your opponent to front load their CP on you especially if they have a better book.

When doing cool or even basic stuff for units in my army is linked to stratagems and other people get theirs just as a gear or a unit special rule? If I remove stratagems from my book, and secondaries are harder to do, which are already a problem for a termintor army. Then the free points for GK better be big, like at least enough for me to take one extra 5 man termintor unit.

The problem with "front loading" is not how it is done, but the fact that it is being done. It is suddenly fun to be hit with 5-7 void weavers and lose 3 squads of termintors, just because the opponent didn't use any stratagems to do it.

That’s because points updates will be free as of this new season of Warhammer 40,000! You’ll be able to get them in Warhammer 40,000: The App and right here on the Warhammer Community website.

Wait a minute. Is the app free ?

tneva82 wrote:
Points also in whc site(says so right there). Rest(cp etc) in book

Well, phew.

I was dead wrong in the belief that they'd rejected charging for points due to the errata process, so that's a relief.

Also, if you're the guy I offered an Avatar bet to on that front... I *was* wrong and thereby offer you to set me the Avatar of your choice for six weeks

Also really appreciated in the live stream Eddie's emphasis that this is a matched play campaign rule for that season.

I think I kinda like it even though I'm a Crusader- like so much else, it depends on the execution. At 25PL, you only get 3 starting CP anyway, right?

Being a GT MP, this book will focus exclusively on Incursion and Strike Force missions, so the 25PL game wouldn't be a consideration anyway.

Karol wrote:
Wait a minute. Is the app free ?

Not the whole experience, I'm more bothered about it being gak.


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PenitentJake wrote:
Also really appreciated in the live stream Eddie's emphasis that this is a matched play campaign rule for that season.

I think I kinda like it even though I'm a Crusader- like so much else, it depends on the execution. At 25PL, you only get 3 starting CP anyway, right?

Being a GT MP, this book will focus exclusively on Incursion and Strike Force missions, so the 25PL game wouldn't be a consideration anyway.

The very first houserule in any game I play does tend to be "here we round like math"

In danger of white knighting, but it all sounds quite good to me.

I'm concerned more limited CP will mean you always use the same stratagems - but that's basically where we are now. (You'll use A+B rather than A+B+C+D) It should hopefully reduce turn 1/2 blowouts by a bit - although it depends where you are on turn 2 relatively speaking and some stratagems are more impactful than others.

Equally, balancing secondaries = good. GW's historic record on balance... not so great. So we'll see. It should hopefully be more reasonable if it has all been conceived of together.

Free points is obviously excellent. Hope there will be a few sensible adjustments too.

LoL so the change is that we went from one book with updated rules to, One book of updated rules and you have to sub to our app, or you won't have updated point costs. GW is full of extra smart people.

Catulle wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Points also in whc site(says so right there). Rest(cp etc) in book

Well, phew.

I was dead wrong in the belief that they'd rejected charging for points due to the errata process, so that's a relief.

Also, if you're the guy I offered an Avatar bet to on that front... I *was* wrong and thereby offer you to set me the Avatar of your choice for six weeks

Nope no idea what bet you are talking about def not me

Karol wrote:
LoL so the change is that we went from one book with updated rules to, One book of updated rules and you have to sub to our app, or you won't have updated point costs. GW is full of extra smart people.

The app is free, you register your codex in it and get free points update for life, they already do that.

They're also going to be free on the site in a document. Please read before going anti gw police on it.

Karol wrote:

Wait a minute. Is the app free ?

Basic features yes. Incidently points been there for free for a while anyway. But to get special rules etc need to insert code of book(but no need to sub). Subscribers gets army builder and 8e books fully.

Aos works better. 40k the gazillion supplement system hurts and more model specific upgrades in unit makes army builder clumsier. Aos ab works treat now that list output is fixed. Now if bcp would understand it...

yay free points, though with how GW has been doing things I expect an across the board increase in ork points because they still sometimes make it to a top 16 or in rare cases top 8 tables of a major tournament and need more nerfs.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
yay free points, though with how GW has been doing things I expect an across the board increase in ork points because they still sometimes make it to a top 16 or in rare cases top 8 tables of a major tournament and need more nerfs.

Yeah, no promises that they'll do a better job on points than the last couple rounds of random flailing, just that they'll be free on the website.

Maybe the free points are just for armies that do really bad. Like your play demons or IG you get X extra points for free.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
The next Chapter Approved has free points!

But that's not the important part.

Secondaries are all getting consolidated and redone, which means armies like DE with easy secondaries will hopefully have a harder time scoring them, which can take their win rates down. And if they make useful secondaries out of some of the stinkers other armies could see improvements.

We also get half CP to start, but extra CP per turn ( I imagine 2 instead of 1 ). This makes it a lot harder to stack on all the relics, traits, and pre-game buffs and then also launch a full strength battery of strats.

I know that this functionally limits me to only so many relics and no extra detachments. If I have a squad of 10 terminators I NEED 3CP to start the game - especially if I don't go first. How does your army change with this consideration?

I'm quite looking forward to this next season.

Other than the free pts adjustments for those times I play casual matched, it won't change my armies at all because like Naschmund I won't play it. They're products aimed at tourney dwellers - of wich I'm not.
I won't even buy/pirate/read it as it's a waste of my time. Unless I decide to pull out the Guard or demons.....
Now if an opponent wants to use their altered (or shiny new for IG/Demons/?) secondaries? That's cool, I don't mind. Afterall it's a casual game.

Dudeface wrote:

Karol wrote:
LoL so the change is that we went from one book with updated rules to, One book of updated rules and you have to sub to our app, or you won't have updated point costs. GW is full of extra smart people.

The app is free, you register your codex in it and get free points update for life, they already do that.

They're also going to be free on the site in a document. Please read before going anti gw police on it.

The article didn't say it will be free on the site. And when I click the app I don't get an option to download, just an option to pick a 1 month or 12 month subscription. I guess I did a bad one selling my codex code, then. Well more AoS in the future for me then.


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ccs 804923 11358040 wrote:

Other than the free pts adjustments for those times I play casual matched, it won't change my armies at all because like Naschmund I won't play it. They're products aimed at tourney dwellers - of wich I'm not.
I won't even buy/pirate/read it as it's a waste of my time. Unless I decide to pull out the Guard or demons.....
Now if an opponent wants to use their altered (or shiny new for IG/Demons/?) secondaries? That's cool, I don't mind. Afterall it's a casual game.

Wouldn't it be kind of a problem, if you stilled used out dated and illegal rules for your secondaries though, or the CP limits etc

Karol wrote:
Wouldn't it be kind of a problem, if you stilled used out dated and illegal rules for your secondaries though, or the CP limits etc

Anything not in the core rulebook is optional, so no.