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2022/05/18 20:30:17
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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Hi guys. i have been wanting to build a large fantasy castle for some years now. eventually i hope to have a large board set up with castle and village/town but for now a bit short on room so will keep to building the castle in pieces. have spent years collecting varius kits and i think i am now ready to make a start.
i am not an amazing modeller or painter and am hoping someone on here can give me some tips and ideas to help me along?
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2022/05/19 01:38:46
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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There are several routes you can go. Scratchbuilding, of course. Buying toy versions of castles and such and converting them. Using something like Hirst Arts to mold building blocks to build it. Or just 3d printing it (FDM printer would work).
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2022/05/19 09:08:01
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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yeah im no expert so i think a scratch build is out of the question. My plan is to mod kits and bit and bobs together. i spent years getting my hands in varius towers and castle bit and bobs. (anyone else noticed how the price of kits has gone up alot since corona started)
and while there does seem to be many vids on how to make scenery from scratch there doesnt seem to be much giving tips on modding big things like castles.
anyone else out there with a castle project on the go or completed?
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2022/05/19 09:30:41
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Huge Bone Giant
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Some things I can think of that may help or that you may want to consider:
- It's good to draw up a plan with the layout you have in mind. If you have measurements of the various kits you want to use, all the better as a little math helps keep things straight.
- It helps to have an inventory list of at least the major pieces you have at your disposal so you know what you want to place, and where.
- Storage for long term projects is a concern and you may not want to assemble all your stuff right away. Consider in what order you want to build and how it all fits together, and try to assemble all the pieces you need for the basic layout so you can dry fit them and make sure nothing gets in the way of each other.
- Individual pieces may be flexible in their size and placement, like a stable or smithy. Make sure there's enough room to place them but don't worry too much about where exactly they fit in. Whereas your castle's wall should be well planned out as it has to go together neatly and determines how much space you have inside the castle for other structures.
- If you want elevation, make sure to plan out the board your castle goes on first. Say if you want a moat, the bottom of it is the lowest part of your board and everything else, including nominal ground level, needs to be raise. This is probably one part where you want to have a really good idea what it's supposed to look like from the start.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
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2022/05/19 14:08:35
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Green stuff would have these moulds that you use to make resin building parts and they do one that is medieval and apparently you can use it to make a building of any size if you make enough bits.
https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/silicone-moulds/1431-stonework-silicone-moulds.html?search_query=Mould&results=29
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2022/05/19 19:25:22
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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yeh i did consider using moulds at first, i think for a large project though would take a seriously long time to cast all the pieces.
i have decided to use the old warhammer fortress as a base. i have aquired 4 of these old kits plus some extra bits currently.
it is a bit plain for a fantasy fortress but i should be able to spruce it up a bit.
the only major downside to this kit is the lack of arrow-slits but im working on fixing that as we speak...
yeah drawing a plan is a great idea, will gve it a go.
i would love to add a stables inside but realised i have no idea what a castle stables would look like???? i have seen some stables kits available but they dont seem to have much space for horses?? cant work that out
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Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. |
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2022/05/20 19:22:33
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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How much do you like legos? Becuase if the answer is a lot. i would suggest going this route.
Get yourself a dehydrator, a big ol bag of dental plaster, and some of these molds and let your creativity flow with unbound restrictions
https://hirstarts.com/molds/molds.html
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2022/05/22 10:27:57
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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yeah i looked at those molds and watched a vid on casting them. i would need alot more free time lol
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2022/05/22 11:47:42
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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Second Story Man
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depending on your budget/money you want to spend
foam, you can get pieces for cheap at the hardware store, texture can be done by hand or with a roller like GWS sells
if you have more time to spend, you cut the foam into pieces and build the castle brick by brick, looks better and is more flexible but need more time
another cheap but time consuming option is papercraft, you can get good looking files for free or buy the very good ones for cheap (Dave Graffam Models), use cardboard or foam as filler and get nice looking fantasy buildings without needing too much time and money
at the moment hard to get but your budget version of a plastic model is the russian Castle-Craft series, those are meant to be flexible and to be dissembled after play, so need some work like filling gaps if you want a permanent model but those are cheap for a reason
similar price range are the kids toys (like the Simba Falcon Castle), but hard tho get them in the right size and also need some work
the expensive one is going with the Renedra Castle, a very good and detailed plastic model that is still flexible and can be expanded as needed
does not cost as much as the GW models but still a bigger step from the other options
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2022/05/23 07:09:12
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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yeah i got me a couple of the renedra towers, one i have assembled the other still in box atm. they are quite pricey new but i found them as new on evilbay.
i was planning on having them part of the exterior wall of castle but thinking i might use them on the interior now, a big project is so hard to plan......
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2022/05/24 21:25:54
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Renedra has a nice multipart castle line, and I think another company does too...
Hold on.
That's it, Table Top Workshop
https://www.facebook.com/Tabletop-Workshop-563457086999981
But their FB hasn't been updated since the Obama administration so who knows.
Maybe Dungeons and Lasers?
Also if you check the thread on Toys I found a potentially useful toy castle set but it will need a lot of love and work since (as usual) it's only detailed on one side.
Lastly there are some toy block castles that could also be a better and easier starting point than molds or scratch building.
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2022/05/25 18:41:20
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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fuuny you should mention tabletop workshop as i found one of their towers fro sale on evilbay the other day, waiting for it to be delivered. no idea what quality it wil be but was fairly cheap. yeah i dont think they make them any more...
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2022/05/25 19:09:52
Subject: Large fantasy castle
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Dakka Veteran
Lincoln, UK
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I think Tabletop Workshop collapsed fairly quickly after releasing the castle. Their stuff was lovely - detailed interiors too - but quite expensive. They just... vanished.
The Tabletop Workshop castle was sold by Warlord Games for a while, but no longer. It was £140-£175 even then.
Individual pieces and some of the medieval buildings still come up for sale, so my guess is someone bought a ton of stock off the company.
EBay reviews indicate that the tricky piece to find is the connectors that link the round towers with the walls, which had square ends. Those are now on eBay UK though.
You're still not getting any change back from £150 if you buy a castle this way though. Minimum purchase for a small square castle would be:
4 x tower
3 x wall section
1 x gate section
Either 4 or 8 connector sets
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Sarissa Precision sells a surprisingly decent castle keep for £60. MDF, multiple playable levels. It's modelled on Odiham Castle. Still lacking walls and towers for the outer wall though.
TTCombat sells a huge castle kit in MDF for £52, it's 60x60cm.
Another option is Ziterdes hard foam castle sections. You can buy separate wall and tower pieces, but you'd be importing from Germany. There's a single-piece dwarf fortress for around £100-120 on the site too. They used to sell a bigger fortress called something like "Castle Wolfenstein" but that's long gone.
Hudson and Allen in the US still sell a hard foam castle, but it's kind of scaled for older and smaller 25mm figures. Still huge though.
Zvezda sold a bunch of 1/72 hard plastic castle kits that would just about do in a pinch - certainly you could convert them.
IMEX sell/sold the Avalon and Ivanhoe castles in 1/72 measuring 40cm by 40cm (although the walls are maybe 10cm high), and Camelot and King Arthur's Castle in 1/32 measuring 2ft by 2ft. Both scales are kind of nominal, but you may be able to do something with them.
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2022/05/27 06:34:54
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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i got that tabletop workshop tower. seems well made, the detail is quite low relief compared to stuff from games workshop but it does look good.
and yeah i was wondering about those zvezda castles might be worth checking out.
ziterdes stuff looks great but no way im importing things, customs charges are mental
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Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. |
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2022/05/28 18:52:14
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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anyone on here made a castle?
or maybe seen a good castle layout? i have done a search for warhammer castles but not much comes up
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Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. |
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2022/05/28 22:17:26
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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There's also this, meant for RPGs but it might be useful.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QDNJWLQ/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0
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2022/05/29 10:49:26
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Dakka Veteran
Lincoln, UK
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mimozine wrote:anyone on here made a castle?
or maybe seen a good castle layout? i have done a search for warhammer castles but not much comes up
I did, years ago, based on the plans in GW's Siege of Gondor book for the LotR game.
The build used foamcore, which makes surprisingly strong buildings. Cutting crenellated battlements was a pain.
My one piece of advice: high walls rely on you making sensible choices around mini scale.
Walls should be tall enough that models won't be hopping off mounts onto the battlements. Important in a fantasy game where you might be riding a dinosaur or giga-elephant. Say 12.5cm/5 inches as a starting thought.
Siege ladders and towers should be able to reach the battlements.
Battlements should be wide enough for 2 midels to fight. 5cm is about right for 25mm bases, you may want more for Stormcast.
Towers should be wide enough to take a catapult or ballista on top if that's your thing, or several archers. I'd say 10cmx10cm + battlement thickness is a good starting point to think about.
A well-designed castle is a killing zone that channels and traps attackers. Consider overlapping fields of fire, and internal defence lines. If you search for maps for Cry Havoc (a classic hex and chit game of medieval combat), the castle map is famously terrifying. Even once the attackers break down the gate, they have to run the gauntlet in a tunnel lined with arrow slits for the defenders.
How might magic affect a castle layout? Flyers?
Why is the castle where it is?
Building interiors are a faff. I'd say 'no" for tower interiors, but your call. For a keep, consider a "half castle" like a dolls house where the interiors are open from the back but only 5-10cm deep. Lets you play the fight without lifting off layers. Or have a side table with maps of the interior.
Which brings me to... full layout, half a castle against a table edge or just a section of the curtain wall? I made the curtain wall, next time I would do a half castle, for flexibility.
2ftx2ft is a hefty castle, but will dominate your board. Smaller castles on a table edge could be the same size, or 2ftx1ft and still give both players lots of wall to attack, defend, feint.
For a complete castle, look at smaller layouts that have perhaps become more of a home. Look at Lindisfarne castle, you could do that in 1ft or 18 inches. Lindisfarne has large areas of raised flagstone inside the battlement - see also various Spanish castles, and early British and Spanish castles in the Americas. Lanzarote in the Canaries has some mean little fortresses.
Blue Moon makes a neat Dracula's Castle that's relatively small but is 3 towers with wide battlements around a central courtyard.
Curtain walls only allows you more defence in depth, with a buildings inside. There comes a point where you just say "the castle itself is the game board". Welsh castles like Conwy and Carnarvon are good examples.
Look at as many real castles as possible, and remember you have to build them to allow for big hands moving toy soldiers around them.
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2022/06/01 09:35:35
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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thanks mate, alot of info there.
this project did start as me making a curtain wall layout to display some miniatures in front of, but now im going for the full castle. i dont think i'm going to build interiors as im wanting to led light the insides so it looks amazing in the dark/dim light
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2022/06/01 10:30:45
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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mimozine, not to make you jealous, but maybe these finished castles from ESLO hobby will inspire you-
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2022/06/02 18:10:27
Subject: Re:Large fantasy castle
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Fresh-Faced New User
yorkshire
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great pics thx, the best way to be inspired is always others peoples work lol
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