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 Haighus wrote:

 stahly wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty much what Matrindur reported.

Interestingly, Valrak thinks the next armour mark might either be MkII or MkV.

...it wasn't going to be MkI or MkVIII, and MkVII appears for all of about 5 seconds during the Horus Heresy. III, IV, and VI have plastic kits.

So yeah, everyone thinks the next armour mark might be II or V.

Updated IV are also possible looking at the updated III.
Personally I think renewed IV would look very close to Primaris Intercessors so II and V indeed are good choices, but you never know with GW

Replacing MkIV would mean FW doesn’t need to keep the resin weapon sets in stock.

Not stressing need. Because I’m not heralding that as a necessarily good thing.

I very much hope for MK5. Nothing says Heresy -Era more then that set.

I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.

Any new Mk II kit will also have separate heads that can rotate. Ruined.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.

umm they butchered mkiii, so I wouldn't say LEAST.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope it's not Mk2 as it's just going to be the new nonoverlapping gak. And you know they can't do the variety of Mk5 justice in 5 monopose bodies. So I hope for Mk4. Least damage done and it does need a height boost.

umm they butchered mkiii, so I wouldn't say LEAST.

You people really need to calm down. They did not 'butcher' the Mk III, they just changed it. I liked to old Mk III a lot, but I also like the new version, and overall it's a better kit. GW can do the Mk V justice; all they need to do is provide some additional panels on the legs etc to capture the bonding studs - a technique that they've already used on models like the jetbike riders. There might be a degree of simplification of the design in the process, but is that really a big deal?

Nu-MkVI looks great, nu-mkiii is a'ight(due to the exact SAME 5 POSES as MKVI) but looks completely different to my OG metal & Prospero MKIII.

I can understand that you like the new kit(and I do to s lesser extent) but now I have a bunch of upgrade torsos that won't work with the GW kit.

That may be cool to you Snord, but its not really that way for me.

The real rub is that BOTH MKIII & VI are my favorite marks of armour going back to Rogue Trader. On the one hand I love beakies and dig the kit. While on the other, Iron pattern is my numero uno ana how they've transliterated it into mono(dynamo)pose leaves a ton to be desired.


I've been buying the mkiv like it's going out of style just to prevent the same thing from happening to the pile of my EC torsos sitting in a box waiting till I'm done w my Salamanders infantry.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Nu-MkVI looks great, nu-mkiii is a'ight(due to the exact SAME 5 POSES as MKVI) but looks completely different to my OG metal & Prospero MKIII.

I can understand that you like the new kit(and I do to s lesser extent) but now I have a bunch of upgrade torsos that won't work with the GW kit.

That may be cool to you Snord, but its not really that way for me.

The real rub is that BOTH MKIII & VI are my favorite marks of armour going back to Rogue Trader. On the one hand I love beakies and dig the kit. While on the other, Iron pattern is my numero uno ana how they've transliterated it into mono(dynamo)pose leaves a ton to be desired.


I've been buying the mkiv like it's going out of style just to prevent the same thing from happening to the pile of my EC torsos sitting in a box waiting till I'm done w my Salamanders infantry.

I agree with the criticisms of the limited posability and their decision to replicate the same 5 poses across the armour types (presumably the next variant will also share the same poses - it's a bit weird). But it seems to me that what you're really grappling with here is the changeover to the better proportioned models. I got hit by that as well - my SoH are all the previous Mk III, and the new version simply isn't compatible. I think one just has to suck that up - the older models are based on an aesthetic that we were all fine with for many years, but which now looks pretty awkward next to the newer models.

 Gert wrote:
Valdor and Infernus dual kit probs.

Unlikely imho; they probably can share some structural elements (the trunnions and so on) but the Infernus has that lil’ trailer that the Valdor just doesn’t have at all, while the Valdor has the special “blank” sponson with the cables.

New armour mark? I wonder which Dread and Vehicle will accompany the launch box this time..

 tauist wrote:
New armour mark? I wonder which Dread and Vehicle will accompany the launch box this time..

Maybe something fast this time? Bikes and/or Land Speeders?

I could go Bikes and Speeders.

If breachers is true, that would suggest Zones Mortalis instead of Fast Attack.

So a box with Breachers, Rapiers, and a Castraferrum dreadnought (probably MkIV) would work.

 Haighus wrote:
If breachers is true, that would suggest Zones Mortalis instead of Fast Attack.

So a box with Breachers, Rapiers, and a Castraferrum dreadnought (probably MkIV) would work.

Breachers don't necessarily need to be in the box and, looking at the last few, at least 20 normal tacticals of the new MK should be in the box. So its unlikely they put another 10 guys in Breacher configuration in it.
But whatever else is in the box could certainly fit ZM anyway

There was only one previous box and it had 30 dudes and 25 special weapons

It also very politely had all of the new stuff from that wave plus a free existing Land Raider.

I could easily see a "Siege" box of 30 new dudes with some Breachers, one of the heavy weapon sprues, maybe the other Dorito, maybe a Vindicator to round it out.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There was only one previous box and it had 30 dudes and 25 special weapons

It also very politely had all of the new stuff from that wave plus a free existing Land Raider.

I could easily see a "Siege" box of 30 new dudes with some Breachers, one of the heavy weapon sprues, maybe the other Dorito, maybe a Vindicator to round it out.

Solar Auxilia also got a Battlegroup and it had 20 standard dudes. And while the Age of Darkness boxset isn't a Battlegroup it is still a boxset and also had 40 standard dudes.
So every boxset released for HH2.0 had some standard dudes.

Of course there could be Breachers in there in addition to the Tacticals like the SA box had a Command squad in addition to the Lasrifle section, I just think its unlikely.

And while the Astartes Battlegroup had everything from their wave inside, the SA Battlegroup didn't so its, as I said, not guaranteed that they are in there.

Of course it's not even guaranteed Breachers will even exist, and AFAIK all this talk that the next wave is ZM themed is pure wishful thinking from some peeps in this thread.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Of course it's not even guaranteed Breachers will even exist, and AFAIK all this talk that the next wave is ZM themed is pure wishful thinking from some peeps in this thread.

Sure, but we're discussing a Valrak rumour and he literally rumours in the same video that Breachers are happening at some point.

(Also just to be clear, the rumour he's reporting is that there will be another Mark III style launch box, but he doesn't say that it won't be Mark IV from the rumour monger - he says he doesn't know which new mark it will be, and he's just speculating that he doesn't think it will be the Mark IV, for reasons that didn't make a lot of sense to me as they would apply equally to the Mark III, which we did get.)

No idea if ZM will come to pass, but it's not bad speculation given GW get to roll out another book of rules stuff for fairly little outlay on their part and may be able to push the existing wall kits again.

If we’re wishlisting, my picks for a boxed set would be a plastic Javelin (because it looks so cool), Rapier (useful for everyone), and Mk V armour. A plastic Centurion / Consul sprue would also be very welcome. But I suspect that any new boxed set would include the command upgrades.

Well, the Legiones Astartes Battlegroup had 30 new MkIII Marines, a special weapons sprue, the new Deredeo Dreadnought, and a Land Raider Proteus, which came out earlier.

If that's the template, I could see 30 new Marines, a breacher upgrade sprue, a new unit (maybe Rapiers), plus an existing model (Vindicator or Leviathan Dread to go with the theme). Just speculation though.

I would buy so many Javelins

But since they went to the trouble of remastering the resin model to take new plastic sponsons, it's doubtful.

Might also see the missing Sicaran options, the plasma one is already in LI

We are still missing the Deredeo with Lascannons and Volkite that could fill the big box dreadnought slot. Mostly existing kit with one new weapon sprue.

And the missiles for the Deredeo.

Wouldn’t say no to that Palisade shield which I don’t think was seen beyond a “coming soon” type thing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wouldn’t say no to that Palisade shield which I don’t think was seen beyond a “coming soon” type thing.

It was in a display cabinet at the 2019 open day IIRC:

Heresy Thursday – ‘Little’ Horus Aximand

Not a fan of a helmet but otherwise a really nice model.

I like the boar helmet myself.

Love it.

The bare head is absolutely fantastic!

The armour is cool too, a nice mid-point between loyal Astartes and full-blown CSM.

The pose lets it down, it lacks soul, for lack of a better term.