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The Warlock Titan is the pinnacle of Craftworld Eldar technology and their most powerful unit. How powerful do you think these things are compared to Magnus?
The Warlock Titan is the pinnacle of Craftworld Eldar technology and their most powerful unit.
The souls of these dead psykers can merger their psychic powers, amplified by the Titan's wraithbone structure, and combine with the smooth agility and sophisticated technology of the Eldar to create the pinnacle of psychic engineering.
The psychic abilities of a Warlock Titan are immense and manifold. Its witch sight allows the Titan to see the ebb and flow of time, not only to foresee its immediate future and any potential dangers but to also look ahead into the possible futures, allowing it to move in perfect synchronization with the threads of fate. It can also twist together those threads so that doom more readily finds its enemy, resulting in cannon shots and even laser beams changing course to strike them, and it can give a mighty psychic roar which heartens allies and puts fear into the hearts of even the fearless. The psychic energy crackling through the Warlock Titan's body can ward off blows, instantly destroy Greater Daemons in close combat, and give power to its more feared weapon, the Psychic Lance.
Besides the Lance the Warlock Titan is also armed with twin missile launchers and either a Pulsar or Titan-class Power Fist, and is protected by reinforced armoring and a Holo-field emitted from projectors mounted on its wings.
We only have one example of this Titan in action and it's amazing.
THE WITCH IDOL OF MAGC'SITHRAAL
The second time the Ordo Sinister would take to the field would be a far bloodier and more terrible affair, as part of a protracted series of battles that has since come to be known as the Defence of Helioret. The Helioret sector had, since the opening years of the 96os.M3o, been under escalating attack from Eldar corsairs and marauder forces based upon a half-shattered Craftworld known as Magc'Sithraal. These Eldar were by any example of their species who had been encountered, insane, tortured creatures, still reeling from the fall of their ancient power, driven by grief and suicidal with bitter hate for all other races. They had fallen upon the worlds ofHelioret with merciless violence, burning planet after planet, unleashing strange synthetic plagues that fused flesh into bloodied crystal, and fractured moons and orbital stations to tumble down upon the worlds below.
The Imperium's response to the onslaught soon escalated until scores of regiments of the Imperialis Auxilia had been mobilised against it, with them Taghmata forces from Anvilus and Incaladion, supported by a demi-Legio of the Tiger Eyes Titans who contested bitterly to hold the line against the splinter-bone Wraith Titans of the Magc'Sithraal Eldar at Luxor and Ratep. Utter loss of those key worlds was only averted when a full third of the strength of the Blood Angels Legion took to the fray with their Primarch Sanguinius at the fore . Not even this apocalyptic force could win outright victory though, but instead it saw the Eldar forced back to a defensive ring around their sundered and debris-trailing Craftworld.
It was as the angelic Primarch girded his forces for an all-out attack against the Magc'Sithraal Craftworld that he was unexpectedly joined by a squadron bearing the Seal and Writ of Terra and the Imperial Household. With it were a dozen Black Ships carrying within them cohorts of the Silent Sisterhood and with them a trio of unmarked Titan conveyors with the Warlords of the Ordo Sinister within their holds. The battle which followed was shocking in its intensity, with the barbed, swift hulls of Eldar warships set burning across the void as they fought both the steel-grey war-barques of Anvilus as well as the proud, white-hulled battleships of the Armada Ultima. As the void battle raged, the sleek Black Ships and the crimson predators of the Blood Angels fleet dove straight on to their quarry. Crashing through the decaying spires and force-domed atmosphere of the desolate Craftworld, the invaders were met by Magc'Sithraal's army of the dead; thousands of wraith war constructs ranging from swift-footed assassins to towering warriors and Titan-walkers, all powered and animated by the vengeful souls of that haunted realm.
Reality rippled and shuddered as the Eldar distortion weaponry rent the air, tearing crimson gunships from the skies, while below, ancient colonnades and towers that had stood for centuries toppled, hammered by remorseless shellfire-and as missiles rained down in detonating waves, the landing was forced. A score of Eldar Titans rose up from the depths of their ancient vaults, and at the head of them was a Warlock Titan, filled with the souls of Magc'Sithraal's fallen seers and prophets. The Imperium had encountered it before and named it the 'Witch-Idol' and where it had walked, no Imperial victory had yet been won. Against this massing of force , the Imperial assault first faltered and was checked, as even the Titans of the Legio Fureans landing with the second wave were swiftly torn apart by the Witch-Idol and its kinsmen, though it is said that the Angel Sanguinius destroyed one of their number himself, tearing open its head with his bare hands and sending it crashing to destruction before being struck a grievous blow by the Warlock's psi-lance from which none other would have survived. It was then that the three Titans of the Ordo Sinister made their landing, and at their footfalls the very fabric of the Craftworld was said to have shuddered as if in revulsion.
From their carapace weapons poured volleys of rocket fire and searing turbo laser blasts as might have been expected from any battle Titan, while their right hands were vast power claws which twitched in expectation of the close-quarters kill, but from the baroque and strange weapons that served as their left arms, there spat a silent darkness. These bolts of black nothingness slammed through the ranks of the wraith-constructs, devouring everything they touched. While in the aftershock of their detonation, scores more wraith-kind simply fell like severed marionettes, never again to stir. Howling a great chorus of grief and outrage, the Eldar Titans rounded on the newly arrived giants and let fly, pulse lasers cutting the sky apart between the two while the Witch-Idol conjured forth a tempest of eldritch warp-lightning, its coruscating wave of destruction suddenly met by an ice-white blaze of force emanating from the god-engines of the Ordo Sinister and shattered. The backlash of the forces negating each other shook the Craftworld like an earthquake, tumbling Space Marine and Wraith guard alike to the ground like toys.
Empyreal force had been met with Empyreal force and it was clear to every spectator to this clash of colossi how; the god-engines of the Ordo Sinister were Psi-Titans. The conflict that followed was a true battle of the gods, and the recovering Primarch Sanguinius had wisdom enough to withdraw the warriors of his Legion to give the Titans a wide berth for what was to ultimately follow.
For three standard hours the Titans fought, unleashing destructive forces on a scaleenough to break a dozen cities; pulse laser slashed metre-thick ceramite Warlord armour, only to have it melt and reform whole in the wake of the destruction, thoughnot even such occult protections could hold back the lethal strike of a gigantic Eldarpower blade plunged deep into the reactorfuelled heart of one of the Ordo Sinister'snumber. Ghostlike holo-fields flickered and shuddered as the Eldar Titans danced thedance of death with impossible grace, and fusillades of screaming rockets found onlyempty air, but not even such mastery of speed and confusion could stop the ravagingdarkness of the Warlord-Sinister's baleful primary weapons.
Slowly but surely for theEldar Titans, four became three, became two, became only the wounded Witch-Idol beset still by two of the Ordo Sinister's Warlords, although both were damaged. Its lance shattered by a blast of ravening emptiness, it sang its defiance across the Empyrean but was answered by prisoning hurricanes of psychic force against which its superior manoeuvrability became nothing more than the struggle of a battered scarecrow caught in a storm. One of the Warlords-Sinister then seized the Witch-Idol's broken shoulder, holding it captive while its dark companion tore off the Warlock Titan's head.
With the Witch-Idol's destruction, it was if the soul of Magc'Sithraal had died as well.Lights flickered and died across the ruined Craftworld, systems failed and the end began. The last remnants of the Eldar who had not already fled their dying home came on in a suicidal frenzy, but found only the fury of the Blood Angels Legion and the cool savagery of the Sisters of Silence waiting for them. The Psi-Titans of the Ordo Sinister did not wait, instead they bore up the remains of their fallen comrade, and without further communication departed the battlefield. The last of the slaughter was not long in coming, and the final act of the Defence of Helioret was for the wreckage of the broken Craftworld to be hurled into a nearby sun to die its final death.
Even when he was "merely" a Primarch Magnus could destroy Titans, like when he incinerated an Ork Gargant that was bigger than the Warlord stationed on Prospero.
Daemon Primarch Magnus can destroy starships in orbit after no-selling their bombardment.
Spoiler:
"The destruction of five of Titan’s most prized assets was beyond countenance. High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.
The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired.
The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.
With Njal leading their chants, the most powerfulof Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.
Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.
Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin.
Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.
Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed." - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 105
Between his bluntly far greater psychic power and as Gert stated his greater mobility I imagine Magnus would win most encounters in a one on one fight.
If you can destroy whole starships with your mind bullets, mobility doesn’t really matter that much.
Anyway, for what it’s worth, a BOLS page has the old epic costs on it for Magnus (300points) and Warlock titans (750 points), so as noted above, in the game at least it doesn’t bode well for the poor chap.
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
The old Epic model and rules predates by many years the Index Astartes page on the Thousand Sons, much less all of the fluff after. Rules already don't really mean much in a discussion on background in lieu of direct fluff excerpts (I guarantee you a fight between Magnus and even a Warhound Titan in 40k wouldn't go quite as well for him as it would in the fluff), but the old Epic rules even more-so. He was fething blue for crying out loud lol.
Void__Dragon wrote: Even when he was "merely" a Primarch Magnus could destroy Titans, like when he incinerated an Ork Gargant that was bigger than the Warlord stationed on Prospero.
Daemon Primarch Magnus can destroy starships in orbit after no-selling their bombardment.
Spoiler:
"The destruction of five of Titan’s most prized assets was beyond countenance. High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.
The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired.
The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.
With Njal leading their chants, the most powerfulof Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.
Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.
Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin.
Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.
Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed." - Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus, pg 105
Between his bluntly far greater psychic power and as Gert stated his greater mobility I imagine Magnus would win most encounters in a one on one fight.
The problem is that they were regular titans, not psykers titans. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat the Warlock Titan and even so it was very hard.
The problem is that they were regular titans, not psykers titans. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat the Warlock Titan and even so it was very hard.
A Titan is not the equal of a battle barge or strike cruiser. Magnus could not only no-sell their weaponry but destroyed them while they were thousands of kilometers away above the planet.
It also doesn't help that Magnus is frankly more powerful than any Eldar psyker you could name tbh, at least in direct combat applications.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
The problem is that they were regular titans, not psykers titans. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat the Warlock Titan and even so it was very hard.
A Titan is not the equal of a battle barge or strike cruiser. Magnus could not only no-sell their weaponry but destroyed them while they were thousands of kilometers away above the planet.
It also doesn't help that Magnus is frankly more powerful than any Eldar psyker you could name tbh, at least in direct combat applications.
1. Warlock Titan is not one psyker, but several (maybe even dozens) Warlocks and Farsser in one Titan,and because of this their power is multiplied even more
2. We don't know what a Warlock Titan can do. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat him, and you may know that these Titans are not only psykers in their own right, but are also anti-psychic machines due to their pilots being blancs. In one story, such a titan fought a powerful demon (I mean, this demon was the size of a titan) and although the lesser demons instantly evaporated due to his presence, this powerful demon remained in real space, although it was weakened and flickering. I'm not sure if Magnus could fight 3 of them at once, given that he had problems with Guilliman due to the presence of the Sisters of Silence.
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2. We don't know what a Warlock Titan can do. It took 3 Titans of the Ordo Sinister to defeat him, and you may know that these Titans are not only psykers in their own right, but are also anti-psychic machines due to their pilots being blancs. In one story, such a titan fought a powerful demon (I mean, this demon was the size of a titan) and although the lesser demons instantly evaporated due to his presence, this powerful demon remained in real space, although it was weakened and flickering. I'm not sure if Magnus could fight 3 of them at once, given that he had problems with Guilliman due to the presence of the Sisters of Silence.
We know to some extent what a regular Warlock Titan can do based on the old Epic rules. Although rules are not necessarily translatable directly to background in terms of magnitude of effects, it at least gives us some picture of the kinds capabilities that the Warlock Titan had. Basically in addition to being a normal Titan like the Phantom with holofields, wing weapon systems and 2 arm weapon mounts, it had psychic powers. In Epic, it had 3 powers back then. One and the most commonly used was Witch Sight, In background terms, it was like the Farseer precognitive powers that result in avoiding harm, just on a Titanic scale. The 2nd was Doom, which like the Farseer version, made it easier to harm enemies. The 3rd was War Shout, which was a mighty psychic shout that basically forced a Morale test in a radius around the Titan and those that failed had to fall back.
In addition to these active powers, it had a +1 to-hit on shots with the Psychic Lance, which wiped the brains of those in the area of effect, and which was particularly deadly to Titans that had their shields down, as it automatically hit the head which could result in a quick Titan kill. Finally all of the Warlock Titan's close combat attacks counted as psychic. This was relevant against Daemons (including Greater Daemons and Daemon Primarchs) as they could not expend Chaos cards to cancel out damage from psychic attacks, which they could vs. normal attacks.
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Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Dysartes wrote: Frankly, that excerpt is why you shouldn't leave a fanboy in charge of writing about their faction unchecked.
Which excerpt are you talking about?
The one Void_Dragon posted from Warzone Fenris.
I don't know, the transcendent shard of the Deceiver did the same and you should have seen what the shard of the Deceiver and Orikan in his star form did in the Orikan and Trazyn book. I think it's normal that such a powerful psyker can do such things
This is kind of a, "How powerful is Superman" situation. It just depends on the demands of the plot that day. Maybe Magnus can bend reality to solo the entire Fang. Maybe he'll get taken out by a single plucky dreadnaught. It isn't consistent.
ATTENTION. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
Not even on the same level. Lore wise magnus would just rip it in half.
Remember, magnus was the most powerful psyker in the galaxy second only to his father. That was PRE heresy, he only became stronger post heresy. He outclasses pretty much every other psyker in lore by miles.
Backspacehacker wrote: Not even on the same level. Lore wise magnus would just rip it in half.
Remember, magnus was the most powerful psyker in the galaxy second only to his father. That was PRE heresy, he only became stronger post heresy. He outclasses pretty much every other psyker in lore by miles.
It's not single psyker, it's dozes of farseers and warlocks
Backspacehacker wrote: Not even on the same level. Lore wise magnus would just rip it in half.
Remember, magnus was the most powerful psyker in the galaxy second only to his father. That was PRE heresy, he only became stronger post heresy. He outclasses pretty much every other psyker in lore by miles.
It's not single psyker, it's dozes of farseers and warlocks
And i would still say he would outclass them by a country mile in his daemon primarch form.
The man literally pulled a daemon world into reality from the warp.
And i would still say he would outclass them by a country mile in his daemon primarch form.
The man literally pulled a daemon world into reality from the warp.
40k is the core experience, the novels are addendums to that, and when they contradict the core fluff I disregard it.
And i would still say he would outclass them by a country mile in his daemon primarch form.
The man literally pulled a daemon world into reality from the warp.
40k is the core experience, the novels are addendums to that, and when they contradict the core fluff I disregard it.
Magnus is not "more powerful than a titan."
You know we’re in the background forum, right?
Where the lore matters more than the tabletop.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
And i would still say he would outclass them by a country mile in his daemon primarch form.
The man literally pulled a daemon world into reality from the warp.
40k is the core experience, the novels are addendums to that, and when they contradict the core fluff I disregard it.
Magnus is not "more powerful than a titan."
You know that one of the thousand sons cult leaders was a powerful enough psyker to pilot a warlord titan using his mind?
That logar, who was not even close to the same level of power that magnus was in pysker ability, was able to one shot a warhound titan by hurling a bolder at it and crushing the cockpit.
Magnus could absolutely 1v1 a titan especially in daemon primarch form.
Directly out of the 8th ed codex Page 34 First paragraph:
"magnus was created by the emperor of man as a giant, physically and mentally towering over his fellow primarchs. his abilities as a psyker were unsurpassed by all save the emperor himself and with honour and cunning he led the 1000 sons to countless vicotires in the great crusade."
same page 4th paragraph.
"From the glowing fires of Magnus' eye come blasts of raw psychic energy. With each earth-shattering bolt Titans and armoured columns are torn from reality, their very substance reduced to clouds of screaming atoms. As the Daemon Primarch draws near to his foes they are caught in a field of fluctuating energy, an aura of malefic sentience that twists existence to suit Magnus' will. The most impenetrable defences are laid bare by this warping influence, leaving the enemy open to slaughter."
Dude can literally blink titan out of existance, and this is not Black library books or novels saying this, this is a codex.
So again, yes, magnus could absolutely solo a eldar warlock titan. If he can blink and kill a titan, im sure with a wave of his hand an eldar titan can vanish.
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That's very figurative language from the section you're quoting. Imma stick with my interpretation.
Otherwise there wouldn't be much point in actually fighting battles against that character at all. He blinks, everyone (presumably except for Primarchs or creatures of that nature) dies. Except that's not what happens when he goes up against named characters in the stories.
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What is figurative about
"From the glowing fires of Magnus' eye come blasts of raw psychic energy. With each earth-shattering bolt Titans and armoured columns are torn from reality"
It's pretty clear that Magnus has the ability to rip titans from reality, there is nothing figurative about that.
The codex itself says he can do that. So I mean respectfully your interpretation is just objectively wrong because the codex itself says he can one v one titans.
We are not really discussing if a character's power in lore is reflected on the table top. That's an entirely different discussion that no one is having. The question was who would win Magnus or Titan by lore accounts it's going to be magic Maggie every time
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Backspacehacker wrote: What is figurative about
"From the glowing fires of Magnus' eye come blasts of raw psychic energy. With each earth-shattering bolt Titans and armoured columns are torn from reality"
It's pretty clear that Magnus has the ability to rip titans from reality, there is nothing figurative about that.
The codex itself says he can do that. So I mean respectfully your interpretation is just objectively wrong because the codex itself says he can one v one titans.
We are not really discussing if a character's power in lore is reflected on the table top. That's an entirely different discussion that no one is having. The question was who would win Magnus or Titan by lore accounts it's going to be magic Maggie every time
Aight so why hasn't he one-shotted his brothers, either, when push came to shove? Considering Malcador could feth up primarchs, if Magnus is even *more* powerful than it shouldn't have even been a contest, right? It's just inconsistent power levels and I'm not going to take it seriously.
Will when are you talking about that post heresy or preheresy?
Because if you're talking post heresy he also had just brought a demon world into reality which is kind of an impressive and hard feat to pull off so probably couldn't just thunderbolt his brother to death on top of that he also had the protection of the emperor. Which at that point in the lore we know that the emperor is actually stronger much stronger than he was during the heresy it's just he's stuck on that throne right now.
But here's the other thing that takes place in a book which you said doesn't count so we can't really take that to consideration if we're just going by what's in the codecs well the codec says that Magnus can one shot of Titan why he didn't do that in the books That's up to the author
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Backspacehacker wrote: But here's the other thing that takes place in a book which you said doesn't count so we can't really take that to consideration if we're just going by what's in the codecs well the codec says that Magnus can one shot of Titan why he didn't do that in the books That's up to the author
Well there's also the question of why GW didn't give Magnus the chance to do that in-game.
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