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Okay, so there have been a few "10th is on the way" topics, and as most of you know, my ability to participate in those is limited, because I actually like 9th, and I'm probably one of only a handful of people who wish that 10th wasn't coming.

But regardless of what I want, 10th IS coming- it's only a matter of when.

So given that, I'm wondering what folks think we will get as new factions in 10th.

Emperor's Children, I'd say are virtually guaranteed. But beyond that?

PenitentJake wrote:
Okay, so there have been a few "10th is on the way" topics, and as most of you know, my ability to participate in those is limited, because I actually like 9th, and I'm probably one of only a handful of people who wish that 10th wasn't coming.

But regardless of what I want, 10th IS coming- it's only a matter of when.

So given that, I'm wondering what folks think we will get as new factions in 10th.

Emperor's Children, I'd say are virtually guaranteed. But beyond that?

Squats are coming.

Kroot might make a comeback?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Squats are coming.

For 9th (along with World Eaters).

Well considering GW is clearly fleshing out Chaos to have 1 army per god with a mortal and demon core then completing that would be a clear must.

After that for a new force I'd like to see something like the Tau Auxiliaries. An army which features Kroot as perhaps a core part of the army, but then uses a lot of different xenos species in other roles. Basically going right back to what Tau were clearly originally designed to be, but using Kroot as the core instead of the Crisis suit force.

That way GW gets to have al ot of creative freedom in creating various minor races to join the Tau and it doesn't bloat the core Tau army.

Exactly like how Genestealer Cults being their own army means they don't bloat the Tyranid faction.






After that - EXODITES
As much as I'd love to see a new Xenos race rice up, I'd freaking love GW to actually make an Exodites army. Not just keep mentioning them in lore videos; not keep teasing them in snippets here and there (Warhammer + video that didn't feature 1 dinosaur* ). Actually make models and put them on the table. I want dinosaurs ridden by space elves with lasers in space and all.










* It was an awesome production don't get me wrong, its great. It just didn't really have anything that really screams Exodites

Personally I'd stop adding factions. There are far too many as it is and it's only adding bloat and making everyone's codexes suffer. What i would do is spend an edition fleshing out existing stuff and getting everyone up to snuff, then think about more new factions in 11th.

Emperors Children, Exodites, Hrud, Traitor Guard (+/- tie ups with Dark Mech).

Its a fair shout whether this is desirable as against having more waves for existing armies. But equally new is new.

 Togusa wrote:
Personally I'd stop adding factions. There are far too many as it is and it's only adding bloat and making everyone's codexes suffer. What i would do is spend an edition fleshing out existing stuff and getting everyone up to snuff, then think about more new factions in 11th.

This. Squats are inevitable I guess but no new factions. And stop giving each color of space marines its own book FFS.

After 30 years I think GW balance is as good as it will get until their current writers all retire and new blood comes in. So I'm all for more factions. It won't make the balance any worse.

I could get behind not giving every marine force its own book, but that boat has already sailed long long ago. Plus I'd rather GW added new factions instead of messing around making every faction follow marines with subfaction books and the like.



Plus armies like Tyranids are already very well rounded. Yes there's room for a few more things, but by and large its getting harder to add things that don't start tripping up over things that are already there. When you reach that point you start to do 2 things in my view

1) You resculpt existing models. Updating them with new looks, improved models and perhaps a few new weapon types

2) You add new armies. Because you don't need to add another 10 Tyranid types; you don't need to bloat them out. So you add a new faction with those 10 production slots and create something new and fresh

 Overread wrote:
After 30 years I think GW balance is as good as it will get until their current writers all retire and new blood comes in. So I'm all for more factions. It won't make the balance any worse.

I could get behind not giving every marine force its own book, but that boat has already sailed long long ago. Plus I'd rather GW added new factions instead of messing around making every faction follow marines with subfaction books and the like.



Plus armies like Tyranids are already very well rounded. Yes there's room for a few more things, but by and large its getting harder to add things that don't start tripping up over things that are already there. When you reach that point you start to do 2 things in my view

1) You resculpt existing models. Updating them with new looks, improved models and perhaps a few new weapon types

2) You add new armies. Because you don't need to add another 10 Tyranid types; you don't need to bloat them out. So you add a new faction with those 10 production slots and create something new and fresh

My quip about new factions isn't limited to better rules, but also to the fact that they tend to split factions into "wave" releases which makes things worse.

Lumineth, DoK, and Soulblight in AoS are excellent examples of this. Especially Soulblight who feel like a very unfinished faction, missing a lot of units which will no doubt show up in wave 2 in 23-24. They did this for GSC, Custodes, and Primaris Marines, CSM and Eldar. There is just too much stuff for them to release it all in a 12 month cycle.


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Vatsetis wrote:


And perhaps a Female Space Marine codex will finally make 40K more inclusive.

How does having a male only faction make 40K less inclusive?

There are women in Chaos, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Tau. Necrons and Tyranids are genderless, with some characters presenting as masculine. Orks are genderless, and sexless. Sisters of Battle are an entire army of only women. There are women assassins, Slaanesh (trans representation) and lots more female characters spread out over most of the other factions. Keeping the lore for marines as it is does nothing to help/hurt anyone. There is no reason to do it. As I have said before in the past, many times when I see folks asking for female marines, what they are really wanting is "boob plate" armored marines, because of sex fetishization of women. There is no reason to say that your marines don't have women in those shells, we don't need to see massive honkers for that.

Don't, it's bait. All you'll do is get the thread locked.

 Togusa wrote:
How does having a male only faction make 40K less inclusive?

Because he's a troll who, after exhausting his list of hyperbolic comparisons involving painting, has apparently decided to start trolling other threads. Female space marines are just something he thinks will get a reaction.

But, to be fair, space marines aren't just a male-only faction. They're the faction in 40k that gets an overwhelming majority of the attention, both on the tabletop and in the fluff/marketing/etc, while everyone else gets treated as NPC factions. If GW stopped favoring marines so blatantly having one all-male faction wouldn't be a problem, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in.

Too many factions as it is, roll all eldar into one book, and marines, and chaos, 1 book each, not 1 weird book with all three in.

 Overread wrote:
Well considering GW is clearly fleshing out Chaos to have 1 army per god with a mortal and demon core then completing that would be a clear must.

After that for a new force I'd like to see something like the Tau Auxiliaries. An army which features Kroot as perhaps a core part of the army, but then uses a lot of different xenos species in other roles. Basically going right back to what Tau were clearly originally designed to be, but using Kroot as the core instead of the Crisis suit force.

That way GW gets to have al ot of creative freedom in creating various minor races to join the Tau and it doesn't bloat the core Tau army.

Exactly like how Genestealer Cults being their own army means they don't bloat the Tyranid faction.

After that - EXODITES
As much as I'd love to see a new Xenos race rice up, I'd freaking love GW to actually make an Exodites army. Not just keep mentioning them in lore videos; not keep teasing them in snippets here and there (Warhammer + video that didn't feature 1 dinosaur* ). Actually make models and put them on the table. I want dinosaurs ridden by space elves with lasers in space and all.

* It was an awesome production don't get me wrong, its great. It just didn't really have anything that really screams Exodites

I agree with all of that. EC are probably happening. I'd love rules for tau auxiliaries that embrace a bunch of minor species (that was one of the main selling points to me when I first heard about tau).

Exodites seem like a pretty obvious option that would also potentially have a pretty unique playstyle; 40k doesn't really have a cavalry heavy army (outside of certain SW and daemon builds). Seeing what an army of fast, squishy dragon knights that aren't a disposable horde like gaunts looks like could be really interesting. The biggest hurdle I see for Exodites is similar to that of GSC. They pretty much stick to their own planets, so it's hard to have them fighting against all the other factions without their maiden world somehow getting devastated while also letting players maintain a since of continuity for their characters. Maybe they would work well with something like the Wandering Players rule harlequins have. So you could fluff them as a small force temporarily traveling with your craftworlders or joining up with the ynnari or whatever.

You could even *gasp* include them in that tau auxiliaries book and say that a few maiden worlds have opted to grace the tau with their assistance and powerful mind science in exchange for protection and agreeable terms regarding a tau presence on their planets. After all, exodites are presumably aware that the galaxy is full of planet-wrecking dangers that are just too big for one planet's defenders to stand against. And they also probably know that craftworlds can't always be available to back them up.

 Shas'O Ky'husa wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
How does having a male only faction make 40K less inclusive?

Because he's a troll who, after exhausting his list of hyperbolic comparisons involving painting, has apparently decided to start trolling other threads. Female space marines are just something he thinks will get a reaction.

But, to be fair, space marines aren't just a male-only faction. They're the faction in 40k that gets an overwhelming majority of the attention, both on the tabletop and in the fluff/marketing/etc, while everyone else gets treated as NPC factions. If GW stopped favoring marines so blatantly having one all-male faction wouldn't be a problem, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in.

"Et tu Brute"... And some people thought that ShasO and Vatsetis were indeed the same person.

Yes, I recognice that mentioning FSM was a boutade... That dosent turn me into a Troll.

But people must recognize that a Kroot Cannibal Empire that wipes out the Taus is a good idea, right?

beast_gts wrote:
Kroot might make a comeback?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Squats are coming.

For 9th (along with World Eaters).

How do we know they are not being designed for 10th right now?

Vatsetis wrote:


But people must recognize that a Kroot Cannibal Empire that wipes out the Taus is a good idea, right?

{Shrugs} So long as the Tau remain a playable faction.

 Shas'O Ky'husa wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Personally I'd stop adding factions. There are far too many as it is and it's only adding bloat and making everyone's codexes suffer. What i would do is spend an edition fleshing out existing stuff and getting everyone up to snuff, then think about more new factions in 11th.

This. Squats are inevitable I guess but no new factions. And stop giving each color of space marines its own book FFS.

We still new the traitor guard faction back.

I would love a real Corsairs army back.... PS these new corsairs while are cool are not the same at all in any way and should not have been called corsairs they are so different, just call them Outcasts.

Heck lets have an Outcasts book and put Ynnari in it where it belongs!!!

 Amishprn86 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Kroot might make a comeback?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Squats are coming.

For 9th (along with World Eaters).

How do we know they are not being designed for 10th right now?

Oh, GW will absolutely claim that they were. But they're on the same time frame as the squats (later this year, matter of months*), because they've repeatedly told us that.


*barring delays, which seem inevitable at the moment. But the design work has been done and book is done or being finalized now.

Female Squats. Female Custodes. Female Orks. Female Necrons. Female Knights.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Female Knights.

I'm now imagining the Knight models, but with Boob Plate for some reason.

I want Emperor's Children as a fully fledged force. Exodites would be cool as well.

I'd also like regular Chaos Space Marines and regular Eldar to be finished.

 Overread wrote:
After 30 years I think GW balance is as good as it will get until their current writers all retire and new blood comes in.

That's a sad indictment of 40k...

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I would love a real Corsairs army back.... PS these new corsairs while are cool are not the same at all in any way and should not have been called corsairs they are so different, just call them Outcasts.

Heck lets have an Outcasts book and put Ynnari in it where it belongs!!!

7th edition corsairs basically had the best version of chapter tactics, and then GW killed them and gave less cool knock-off versions of their rules to everyone else.

As someone who plays ALL THE ELVES, I'm kind of enjoying getting the rules for all the eldar except drukkhari in a single book. But I'd be down for an Agents of the Aeldari book that contained harlequins, ynnari, exodites, corsairs, maybe white seers... But yeah. I miss the jetpack pirates too.

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I would love a real Corsairs army back.... PS these new corsairs while are cool are not the same at all in any way and should not have been called corsairs they are so different, just call them Outcasts.

Heck lets have an Outcasts book and put Ynnari in it where it belongs!!!

7th edition corsairs basically had the best version of chapter tactics, and then GW killed them and gave less cool knock-off versions of their rules to everyone else.

As someone who plays ALL THE ELVES, I'm kind of enjoying getting the rules for all the eldar except drukkhari in a single book. But I'd be down for an Agents of the Aeldari book that contained harlequins, ynnari, exodites, corsairs, maybe white seers... But yeah. I miss the jetpack pirates too.

Yep, by far my top codex of all time. A Outcasts/Agents Aeldari book should be a thin for sure.

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Female Knights.

I'm now imagining the Knight models, but with Boob Plate for some reason.

The leader of my Chaos Knights is female. I used the Canis Rex shell so I could model her canopy open.

The Canis Rex model is a blessing. I really want an Ork riding in there.

You're all thinking too small. Instead of a church on it's shoulders, I WANT A BARBY DREAM HOUSE IMPERATOR TITAN...

Well since you asked, I'll put in a vote for the 2 I've wanted since 1995:

Codex Imperial Agents - Inquisition, Arbites, Assassins, Navy, Rogue Traders, PDF, Citizens Crusades, Imperial Agricultural Assessment Service, roll in Custodes and Silent Sisters too. Playable as it's own army or as Imperial allies.

Codex Mercenaries - Space Pirates, minor Xenos races, crazy warp entities, horrors from the Dark Age of Technology and whatever else comes to mind.

 Togusa wrote:
Personally I'd stop adding factions. There are far too many as it is and it's only adding bloat and making everyone's codexes suffer. What i would do is spend an edition fleshing out existing stuff and getting everyone up to snuff, then think about more new factions in 11th.

Yeah that would be logical. I still want my Agents and Mercs though


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 Overread wrote:
After 30 years I think GW balance is as good as it will get until their current writers all retire and new blood comes in. So I'm all for more factions. It won't make the balance any worse.

Well if they're really paying them GBP25k I can't imagine anyone sticking around too long.

Yeah love of the game makes you feel good but it don't pay the rent or the bills (especially if you have kids).

Some really good thoughts in here, and I want to reply to everyone, but it's late so I'm going to try and keep it general.

Over on B&C there was some talk about an exodite rumour, and I think Valrak was involved? But the rumour was a vague one- it didn't specify 9th or 10th, and it didn't specify whether it was an army with a stand alone dex or just a kit or two.

I've also thought that development of Corsairs and Kroot for KT were intended as foundations for further development. I would not be surprised to see both Corsair and Kroot offerings expanded, even if they don't become full dexes.

Another collection that could easily be assembled into a dex from largely existing models is Agents of the Imperium- we'll have inquisitors, assassins, rogue traders, and navy. If they added 3-4 kits to various Agent ranges, they could really build something cool.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Kroot might make a comeback?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Squats are coming.

For 9th (along with World Eaters).

How do we know they are not being designed for 10th right now?

They wouldn't be previewing them now if they are coming year later so theyy are coming in 9e