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It just seems crazy that their most supported way of playing has been sold out for over a month. How do they expect people to play it and go to tournemants f they don't sell it?

Yep, by the time they send the order get it made the next book will already be needing to go to print. With the shipping problems right now as well it'll only be in our hands for a month before the announcement of the next one, would be a waste for them.

Really it needs to be less often for missions, and the other updates should be free via digital updates, which is what everyone wants and GW misinterpreted that to mean more CA's.....

Well if the game is in a good place (as many seem to think it is) maybe just extend Nephelim another six months and throw in another balance slate / points adjustment for free?

"But, money?" - GW.

Zarkro wrote:
Well if the game is in a good place (as many seem to think it is) maybe just extend Nephelim another six months and throw in another balance slate / points adjustment for free?

That's not how this works. They've committed to this weird 'seasons' model for at least a bit. Churn and new books to sell is the point.

Would be nice if people actualy could get their hands on the books though. Specialy when it is not an optional thing to use. A version limited CA is a very bad idea,.

Removed - rule #1 please.

Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

We decided to can all the warzone rules recently since we only play tempest of war anyway.

Karol wrote:
Would be nice if people actualy could get their hands on the books though. Specialy when it is not an optional thing to use. A version limited CA is a very bad idea,.

its totally optional tho.


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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

yeah, my store completely dropped the GT packs, we now do fun custom missions or play tempest of war

Me - "I want to get into competitive play again. Oh my FLGS has monthly tournaments? Perfect! What are the requirements? Physical copies of the rules? Ok, let me grab the chapter approved."

So I paint 3/4 of my army, go to signup for a tournament, but now we're on the new chapter approved when I didn't get to play a single event with the last one. The best part is I can't even buy the new CA because it's permanently OOS. So now I can just sit around painting for 6 months trying to finish my army, at which point we'll have another chapter approved and probably a whole new SM codex invalidating everything I bought and started painting during Nachmund.

This is why constant rules churn is stupid in a tabletop game where it takes 6 months to get an army ready. It works for games like Dota or Overwatch where you literally just click a different spot on the screen and you're playing the new meta hero.

I think I'm going to play 30k and AoS where you have a lot less churn in rules and which models are useful. My building/painting schedule is not enough to keep up with a game that rotates every 3-6 months between what's good and what's useless. If the game had decent balance, I could just collect the army I like and play what I want. However, when the game is balanced by drunken, blindfolded monkeys throwing darts at a dart board full of random point values, that's not feasible either.

At least the FOMO for the next season's book "War Zone Kasssh'Graab" will be off the charts.

EightFoldPath wrote:
At least the FOMO for the next season's book "War Zone Kasssh'Graab" will be off the charts.

After paying for one that I never got to use because it was invalidated in 4.5 months, and trying to buy the second one that went OOS instantly and permanently, there won't be any FOMO here.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

Considering the book sold out....probably not?

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

its totally optional tho.

As is eating, drinking and breathing. But it is hard to play the game called Life without them.

I actually think seasons are a good idea... But only if all the dexes are out.

Season (Campaign books) would be an acceptable way to maintain a persistent edition in a post codex game-state. In that context? Great idea!

In any other context? A waste of production and shipping resources better applied to the codex release schedule.

Karol wrote:
As is eating, drinking and breathing. But it is hard to play the game called Life without them.

Despite what the Max Maxian world you live in may make you think, 40k is not life, and Nephelim is not one of life's (or the game's) requirements.

Toofast wrote:
I think I'm going to play 30k and AoS where you have a lot less churn in rules and which models are useful.

Buddy, AoS has the same rules churn 40k does - they get a grand tournament mission pack every 6 months, and like 40k its divided up into seasons based on different locations in the mortal realms.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Toofast wrote:
I think I'm going to play 30k and AoS where you have a lot less churn in rules and which models are useful.

Buddy, AoS has the same rules churn 40k does - they get a grand tournament mission pack every 6 months, and like 40k its divided up into seasons based on different locations in the mortal realms.

At least the book feels more worth it lol, spiral bind, quick references, book mark, large map, etc.... The CA book for the same price feels so bad.

Karol wrote:
Would be nice if people actualy could get their hands on the books though. Specialy when it is not an optional thing to use. A version limited CA is a very bad idea,.

It's entirely optional. You don't HAVE to use it. Were not using it in our local (matched play) escalation league. We voted on it & it was soundly rejected.
And it doesn't apply to Crusade etc.

Now if your only 40k experience is tourney play.... We'll then your screwed. But then you've signed up for that.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

Toofast wrote:
I think I'm going to play 30k and AoS where you have a lot less churn in rules and which models are useful.

Buddy, AoS has the same rules churn 40k does - they get a grand tournament mission pack every 6 months, and like 40k its divided up into seasons based on different locations in the mortal realms.

And guess what? They are just as optional.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

Considering the book sold out....probably not?

It probably sold out because they made a way smaller print run after Nachmund sat on shelves at every Warhammer and FLGS in the country. Classic GW, overshoot on the first run and then don't make nearly enough the next time around because they don't want to sit on any stock at all.


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 Amishprn86 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Toofast wrote:
I think I'm going to play 30k and AoS where you have a lot less churn in rules and which models are useful.

Buddy, AoS has the same rules churn 40k does - they get a grand tournament mission pack every 6 months, and like 40k its divided up into seasons based on different locations in the mortal realms.

At least the book feels more worth it lol, spiral bind, quick references, book mark, large map, etc.... The CA book for the same price feels so bad.

It's also the only book you have to buy because almost everything else is free on the app. There aren't 700 stratagems to remember. No army has ever had their rules spread over 7 different books like Tyranids were recently. When I play local tournaments for 40k, I need the BRB, codex, supplement, and chapter approved, along with 2 sets of datacards to try and remember the strats. For AoS events, I just need the generals handbook and my phone.

 oni wrote:
I can't help but laugh. The whole 'seasons' is such a piss-poor idea. Nothing more than thinly veiled DLC garbage.

Literally everything that GW has done to pander to the competitive tourney-gakkers has gone badly. And rightfully so. They're a fething cancer.

The good part is that tournament rules are truly 100% optional now.


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DeadliestIdiot wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

We decided to can all the warzone rules recently since we only play tempest of war anyway.

Same. We play tempest of war for matched and crusade for narrative.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

Considering the book sold out....probably not?

What if I told you… not every print run is the same size?

I think GW must be the only company in the world to double down on shunning digital book purchases post-2020.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

Considering the book sold out....probably not?

What if I told you… not every print run is the same size?

Except the book did sell out and people are now complaining online on multiple venues that there won't be more copies coming. This indicates demand and demand means quite a few players are using and/or want to use Nephilim.


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 Arbitrator wrote:
I think GW must be the only company in the world to double down on shunning digital book purchases post-2020.

Which is super weird, but considering that they are the old man on the block it is not surprising.

 oni wrote:
I can't help but laugh. The whole 'seasons' is such a piss-poor idea. Nothing more than thinly veiled DLC garbage.

Literally everything that GW has done to pander to the competitive tourney-gakkers has gone badly. And rightfully so. They're a fething cancer.

The worst thing is codex churn then new edition cycle. The game just has no time to breath and if this isnt the case right now, despite new editions being big hype creators, in the end it will put off more people than it brings in.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

I can not speak for anyone but myself. But my impression from my friends that I play with, and my own thoughts, is that nephilim is great! More balanced secondaries, fun missions and less CP all around. Great great great.

Despite being annoyed with their lack of digital and general book/DLC spamming. The one thing I do buy is the Chapter Approved books and Nephilim is a good book with all those new secondaries that mainly improve the game.

I like the no free relics/traits and 6 starting CP, as I think it does really help "force" armies to look like armies with most players taking a single Patrol/Battalion to tournaments.

I'm concerned in their need to churn they'll make things worse in the next book, or they'll change nothing and I'll feel ripped off (yes I'm determined to be upset no matter).

 Amishprn86 wrote:
The CA book for the same price feels so bad.

Well, one good thing is that Chapter Approved Nephillum dropped in price from the previous Chapter Approved (and the Generals Handbook), as it doesn't have the points pamphlet and spiral bound and such.

I am surprised that the book is still having trouble getting stock, but there are backorders for everything these days. For my work, there are a few things I've been waiting for since June, supply shortages is the way of life.

With that said, this book it's a physical part (like a solenoid). They should make a digital version of at least the missions and secondaries. Maybe make it part of your Warhammer+ subscription, they already have the missions and secondaries in the 40k App, just unlock the content for folks.

For the rejection part, my group loves the changes in the current season, and started playing Nephillium day 1.

Dai wrote:

 oni wrote:
I can't help but laugh. The whole 'seasons' is such a piss-poor idea. Nothing more than thinly veiled DLC garbage.

Literally everything that GW has done to pander to the competitive tourney-gakkers has gone badly. And rightfully so. They're a fething cancer.

The worst thing is codex churn then new edition cycle. The game just has no time to breath and if this isnt the case right now, despite new editions being big hype creators, in the end it will put off more people than it brings in.

To be honest the problem is also physical product. Some datasheets are just garbage and won't be fixed by GW unless they give a new book. Honestly I think an approach like Marvel Crisis Protocol has would be better than the current version of GW. Just datasheet cards that can then be reprinted if they are ouf ot date.


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 Niiai wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Didn’t everyone’s play groups universally reject Nephilim anyway?

I can not speak for anyone but myself. But my impression from my friends that I play with, and my own thoughts, is that nephilim is great! More balanced secondaries, fun missions and less CP all around. Great great great.

Same here. Nephilim is honestly the best Matched Play system GW has delivered so far.


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 jaredb wrote:


With that said, this book it's a physical part (like a solenoid). They should make a digital version of at least the missions and secondaries. Maybe make it part of your Warhammer+ subscription, they already have the missions and secondaries in the 40k App, just unlock the content for folks.

Yep, access in the app would be the best thing for GW. Would also mean less hassle

I am also surprised how lazy GW is at throwing in a scoring sheet function into the app.