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Looks to be a slightly bigger scale than Legion? And smaller skirmish sized warbands. Release of core set is set for June 2023. Hopefully it is hard plastic...

And can anyone more tech savvy than me embed the trailer video?











https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/gaming/amp/news/star-wars-shatterpoint-miniatures-atomic-mass-games/

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I know that there are people who are mad and automatically think this is the end of Legion and even the other FFG Star Wars games. I don't think that's what this means but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case down the line.

All that said, I'm HYPED for this game and it's right in my wheelhouse! I can run full Mandos!

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The video.
   
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Nice. The Clone Wars version of Marvel Crisis Protocol. I don't play Legion but I might get the family into this.
   
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Why not going smaller for mass battles?

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Miss opportunity to make models that could've worked in both systems. That would've been great brand/design synergy... but now we're getting 40mm hero-scale of characters Legion fans have sometimes been begging for, for years.

Also... tactical rocks... yep this is the Crisis Protocol team alright. :-p

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Why Star Wars again when you can do something fresh, exciting and varied?

(Yeah, I know, money...)
   
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AMG has only worked with licensed IP thus far. While they could make their own IP, that would require extra support and take away from development of the games themselves.

Also, this will be the first time that AMG develops a SW game from the ground up. So far they've only maintained SW games they got from FFG.


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If the Core Set offers the same value as the MCP one and the game sounds fun I'll check it out.

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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Miss opportunity to make models that could've worked in both systems.


Deliberately avoid making models cross compatible to avoid cannibalism of sales you mean?

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Excellent. Another Star Wars game in another scale by the very same company barely keeping up with what it already offers, and has maintained that by doing no new releases for at least one other Star Wars game.

   
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Need to see the rules and how they incorporate grunt style characters. Certainly has potential, but not really interested in a MCP reskin. There's definitely a gap in the Legion experience regarding its heroes for this game to fill, but I'm not a huge fan of the extended prequel cast for this to be a huge draw over Legion unless they really capture something with the characters.
   
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There will be two camps at play here, thouse who has never collected legion, and thouse who do.

The first camp will moust likely jump both feet into it if the reviews are good, The second camp will not as they are bummed that it is not an expansion to Legion.
If it do not go above 7 models for a max sized game, it can have a place, but if it goes above 7 models then there is no reason for it to exist as we allready have 500p rule booklet for Legion that is ment for smaller games.


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Bigger than Legion? Oh my. No thanks.

Might as well just pull out my action figures and use those for a game.....

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I do feel like this highlights Legion's biggest drawback, which is just the limited ability to make iconic characters for the game. They demand so much FFG card spam and fight for the extremely limited tactics card slots that its just been a slog getting to even obvious stuff like Ahsoka let along things like the crew of the Ghost. The bigger problem is even when they get around to releasing some of the secondary characters, its just really really hard to make room for them in armies.

What I'd personally love is more of a Legion 2.0 that reworked the way its heroes are implemented but stayed at a scale that still allowed for limited vehicles. This is definitely not that, but might be more of what I want if the grunts are incorporated well.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Excellent. Another Star Wars game in another scale by the very same company barely keeping up with what it already offers, and has maintained that by doing no new releases for at least one other Star Wars game.


This is sadly how capitalisms works. Main office says jump and the devs say Yes Ma'am and jump. No way that the dev team wanted this, and it's only going to bring in yet more work for a small team that is already overworked and likely underpaid for what they do.
   
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 FrozenDwarf wrote:
There will be two camps at play here, thouse who has never collected legion, and thouse who do.

The first camp will moust likely jump both feet into it if the reviews are good, The second camp will not as they are bummed that it is not an expansion to Legion.
If it do not go above 7 models for a max sized game, it can have a place, but if it goes above 7 models then there is no reason for it to exist as we allready have 500p rule booklet for Legion that is ment for smaller games.


So the cycle continues, after this happened with IA players when Legion came out...

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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 LunarSol wrote:
I do feel like this highlights Legion's biggest drawback, which is just the limited ability to make iconic characters for the game. They demand so much FFG card spam and fight for the extremely limited tactics card slots that its just been a slog getting to even obvious stuff like Ahsoka let along things like the crew of the Ghost. The bigger problem is even when they get around to releasing some of the secondary characters, its just really really hard to make room for them in armies.

What I'd personally love is more of a Legion 2.0 that reworked the way its heroes are implemented but stayed at a scale that still allowed for limited vehicles. This is definitely not that, but might be more of what I want if the grunts are incorporated well.


They really don't though. I just do not buy this idea that there is limited play space in the game. Just because a game has powerful spamable cards, doesn't mean we as players must just give in and spam them. My group and I have been playing legion for months now, since late june. All of our lists have been quite diverese with lots of models that the "community" decries as "unplayable" yet here we are playing them, winning and losing games, seeing fun and exciting stuff happen on the table top.
   
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The Clone Wars version of Marvel Crisis Protocol.

Hopefully excited? If that can be the description, THAT is a good thing.

Atomic Mass hit it out of the park with Marvel.

I think it's a very good batch of figures, albeit- a little large, but I'm not going to complain about something that petty. The figures are a great touch in their modeling aspect alone. I had a great time painting up a few of them, and still have Spidey and Cap on the painting Que.

FFG gave me a bad taste in my mouth with their Imperial Assault game, and then when I saw them try to shadow insert the figures into Legion, I was just not even going to take them serious as a choice of a game.

In the new game, the only thing I can honestly ask is to ask the designers to actually make the figures so you don't have to put them together with a PhD, and that you don't use that Mongoose level trash plastic.



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This is an egregious money grab that I do not support. Now for a Westworld moment... Shatterpoint looks like nothing to me.

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 Togusa wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Excellent. Another Star Wars game in another scale by the very same company barely keeping up with what it already offers, and has maintained that by doing no new releases for at least one other Star Wars game.


This is sadly how capitalisms works. Main office says jump and the devs say Yes Ma'am and jump. No way that the dev team wanted this, and it's only going to bring in yet more work for a small team that is already overworked and likely underpaid for what they do.


TBF it's the opposite in this case. The developers of the FFG Star Wars games were all let go when AMG took over (1 moved over then went soon after). The AMG guys developed MCP and this is just a reskin of "their" game. AMG don't particularly care about the FFG games and clearly their passion is for "their" games instead.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
I do feel like this highlights Legion's biggest drawback, which is just the limited ability to make iconic characters for the game. They demand so much FFG card spam and fight for the extremely limited tactics card slots that its just been a slog getting to even obvious stuff like Ahsoka let along things like the crew of the Ghost. The bigger problem is even when they get around to releasing some of the secondary characters, its just really really hard to make room for them in armies.

What I'd personally love is more of a Legion 2.0 that reworked the way its heroes are implemented but stayed at a scale that still allowed for limited vehicles. This is definitely not that, but might be more of what I want if the grunts are incorporated well.


They really don't though. I just do not buy this idea that there is limited play space in the game. Just because a game has powerful spamable cards, doesn't mean we as players must just give in and spam them. My group and I have been playing legion for months now, since late june. All of our lists have been quite diverese with lots of models that the "community" decries as "unplayable" yet here we are playing them, winning and losing games, seeing fun and exciting stuff happen on the table top.


Well, I wouldn't call the tactics cards spammable. Quite the opposite really. The problem I have is that for the most part the characters kind of lack.... character on their own. A ton of the more character rich parts of the game are regulated to the tactics cards and even if the game's FOC didn't heavily restrict how many you could take in the first place, I find character heavy lists regulate too many of them to expensive move and roll dice pieces. It's not a community problem; the game is just designed largely around highlighting 1-2 hero characters. Like I said, I'd rather they make some changes to Legion to accommodate more heroes as an option. I don't think we need a whole new game to make it happen, but I can definitely see where they'd benefit from a system that accommodated more big name releases rather than needing to find a way to make Rebels look like they have an army on par with the other 3.
   
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It's a chance for AMG to make more versions of their game, which makes more sense for them.

I think not retooling X-Wing and Legion and coming out with new additions for both of them is just leaving money on the table though. Both could gain a lot from a top-down redo at this point, or at least within a couple years.

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The problem with X-Wing remains that they've already sold people all the ships they want. No matter what changes they make to the game, there's just not physical product left to sell for it.
   
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Scale change completely kills it for me, no way in hell I'm building another set of Star Wars terrain. This could have been so good, Legion for mass combat and Shatterpoint for character heavy small skirmish, I would have been all over this.

Instead they'll get nothing from me. I can't imagine I'm the only one. Utterly flabbergasted at this decision, it's everything I want but in a size I'll never accept

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Looks like Star Wars: shattered Lightsabers.
Or will the figures be made of rubber? Some of them look very delicate, more suited to display models, then gaming pieces...

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Oh man republic commandos, this is a must buy for me. I woulda gotten into legion years ago if it had them.
   
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Imperial assault, Legion, now this. All with a scale increase. Feels like GW.

I may wait for the next game along from them, when the scale increases to action figure size. I have plenty of those from when myself and my lad were younger.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Weird name, is it a reference to something?


It is both a force ability and the name of the first novel in the Clone Wars novel series. So given the time frame of the setting and probability of it being am in game force power it is not too much of a stretch.

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