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Justin Roiland dropped from Rick and Morty after domestic abuse charges
Adult Swim will reportedly recast the titular roles, both voiced by Roiland, while Dan Harmon will become sole showrunner

Rick and Morty’s Justin Roiland has been dropped as the voice of the titular characters on the animated series and will no longer work on the show, after it emerged he had been charged with felony domestic abuse in Orange County.

The 42-year-old has pleaded not guilty and is awaiting trial after being charged with corporal injury and false imprisonment by menace, fraud, violence or deceit. The charges relate to a 2020 incident against an unidentified woman Roiland was living with and dating at the time.

In a statement earlier this month, Roiland’s attorney T Edward Welbourn said: “Not only is Justin innocent but we also have every expectation that this matter is on course to be dismissed once the district attorney’s office has completed its methodical review of the evidence.”

Rick and Morty co-creator Justin Roiland awaiting trial on domestic violence charges
Roiland and Dan Harmon created the animated sci-fi sitcom about a mad scientist and his grandson, both voiced by Roiland.

On Tuesday, Marie Moore, senior vice president of communications at the show’s distributor Adult Swim, released a statement saying: “Adult Swim has ended its association with Justin Roiland.”


After Rick and Morty became a huge hit, the show’s distributor Adult Swim ordered an additional 70 episodes in 2018 – a massive commitment that would take Rick and Morty to 10 seasons. Season six finished airing in December.

Roiland is the voice of both Rick and Morty, as well as various other smaller characters. Unnamed sources have told the Hollywood Reporter that Rick and Morty will continue with Roiland’s voice roles re-cast, and while Roiland will retain his credit as co-creator, Harmon will now be the sole showrunner.

Roiland also co-created and provides a voice on the animated comedy Solar Opposites, and provides a voice and executive produces the animated series Koala Man. Both are broadcast on Hulu in the US and Disney+ around the world.

The Guardian has reached out to Roiland for comment.

The charges against Roiland first emerged two weeks ago when he appeared in court for a pre-trial hearing.


A trial date has not yet been set, but another pre-trial hearing has been set for 27 April.

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That's going to be a hit for the show, given that Roiland voices a significant part of the cast and side characters. I guess luckily given that the entire show is based on multiversal travel, they can do a self-referential joke as to why their voices sound different and then move on. I am somewhat surprised they've done this before hearing if he's guilty or not, but I guess they're playing it safe.
   
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I really honestly dislike a lot of things about cancel culture, and this really is on of the worst aspects of it.

If he's guilty then he deserves it... Should wait until he is confirmed guilty though.


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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I really honestly dislike a lot of things about cancel culture, and this really is on of the worst aspects of it.

If he's guilty then he deserves it... Should wait until he is confirmed guilty though.



Yeah, pretty much. Unfortunately, if we've learned anything from the Johnny Depp trial, it's guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion and most companies are not willing to gamble or lose face.
   
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I think the only way we allow corporations to stand by their employee in situations like this without "them" salting the earth of their reputations, is implement a right to anonymity until the verdict is rendered, with a suitably hefty penalty for anyone found responsible for breaking that anonymity.

It has its flaws as a concept, but I think it's better than a simple, potentially unfounded, accusation ruining a career.

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Grimskul wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I really honestly dislike a lot of things about cancel culture, and this really is on of the worst aspects of it.

If he's guilty then he deserves it... Should wait until he is confirmed guilty though.



Yeah, pretty much. Unfortunately, if we've learned anything from the Johnny Depp trial, it's guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion and most companies are not willing to gamble or lose face.


The whole timing of this certainly stinks - bringing the charges up year after the alleged incident may have good reason, but that's still something that needs to be cleared up, and conversely the reaction of the channel shows that it's mainly bad publicity that they fear... gakky situation for all involved. I'm all in favor of consequences for domestic violence, but they should not come before the accused is actually found guilty.


H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah I don't see this ending well.


It's a disaster in the making - Dan Harmon has a long history of Depression, Alcoholism and problematic Behaviour towards coworkers himself, such a high-tension situation is probabyl very bad for his overall and especially his mental health. They should hire somebody to prevent another collapse.
   
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He's got to film the Community movie first.

Anyway, Roiland has resigned from his own gaming company.

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Tsagualsa wrote:
The whole timing of this certainly stinks - bringing the charges up year after the alleged incident may have good reason, but that's still something that needs to be cleared up, and conversely the reaction of the channel shows that it's mainly bad publicity that they fear... gakky situation for all involved. I'm all in favor of consequences for domestic violence, but they should not come before the accused is actually found guilty.

This happened just as the Covid pandemic kicked off so there's that to consider. It also hasn't been three years of no activity as there have been dozens of hearings according to the NBC article.
If the US courts are anything like the ones in the UK right now, they're also massively underfunded and understaffed so trials are taking years to get to court.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
The whole timing of this certainly stinks - bringing the charges up year after the alleged incident may have good reason, but that's still something that needs to be cleared up, and conversely the reaction of the channel shows that it's mainly bad publicity that they fear... gakky situation for all involved. I'm all in favor of consequences for domestic violence, but they should not come before the accused is actually found guilty.

This happened just as the Covid pandemic kicked off so there's that to consider. It also hasn't been three years of no activity as there have been dozens of hearings according to the NBC article.
If the US courts are anything like the ones in the UK right now, they're also massively underfunded and understaffed so trials are taking years to get to court.


That may very well be the case. Also, as far as i know the alleged victim was at the time cohabiting with Roiland, so it may have been the case that they could not have moved out of that situation due to the pandemic, and thus waited until the living situation could be changed before taking legal action out of concerns for their own safety.
   
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Considering Roiland was charged, arrested, and put on bail all within the same year as when the accusation was brought against him I'm not sure what you're getting at. The only thing that's taken ages to do is actually get the trial going which isn't uncommon.

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 Gert wrote:
Considering Roiland was charged, arrested, and put on bail all within the same year as the accusation was brought against him I'm not sure what you're getting at. The only thing that's taken ages to do is actually get the trial going which isn't uncommon.


I'm not getting at anything. As you said, the accusations are obviously serious and credible enough, and any delays that may have occured are likely due to some effect of the pandemic.
   
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It's really weird that they did this over this instead of the grooming teenagers gak he was caught doing.

I agree with the innocent until proven guilty bit. But mother fether had recordings and text chains confirmed to be real that are floating all over where he says things that I would kill an adult man for saying to my 15 year old daughter.


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 Lance845 wrote:
It's really weird that they did this over this instead of the grooming teenagers gak he was caught doing.

I agree with the innocent until proven guilty bit. But mother fether had recordings and text chains confirmed to be real that are floating all over where he says things that I would kill an adult man for saying to my 15 year old daughter.


Who knows, it may be better to officially base a firing on allegiations that stand to be proven in court instead of opening yourself up to lawsuits and such by openly citing things that are reprehensible, but may or may not be actually illegal, taken out of context or even fabricated as the reason for termination. The channel probably plays it safe for legal reasons and sticks to stuff that is actually in the process of being legaly proven at the moment. Why open yourself up to more risk than you absolutely have to if you already have ample reason to get rid of an employee?

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If you're rich and famous you probably should have less yes-people around you. Sounds like they let this guy's ego explode and his creep side run rampant and covered for him up until now.

Lets see what the court verdict brings. If he gets off they'll probably add him back to the show

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Generally speaking, by the time a criminal case against a well represented defendant reaches trial, the prosecution has already shown that there is substantial evidence of guilt. Remember that in the US the prosecution must prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the defendant committed the crime. A person can be acquitted at trial, or have a technicality result in dismissal, and an employer can still find very likely that the person committed the acts they were accused of.

Cops and prosecutors and courts railroad people all the time, but that's when nobody cares about the defense. When a person has money and means, it's a bit different. I read that there have been a dozen hearings already in this case, which sounds like a vigorous defense, and the case proceeds.

TL;DR - an employer that fires an employee who is facing a trial for felony is probably not being hasty, as while they have not been found guilty of a crime, there is almost certainly ample evidence that they engaged in wrong doing.
   
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Tsagualsa wrote:
 Gert wrote:
Considering Roiland was charged, arrested, and put on bail all within the same year as the accusation was brought against him I'm not sure what you're getting at. The only thing that's taken ages to do is actually get the trial going which isn't uncommon.


I'm not getting at anything. As you said, the accusations are obviously serious and credible enough, and any delays that may have occured are likely due to some effect of the pandemic.


Just to be clear, charges were not just filed. They were filed all the way back in 2020. The only thing that's changed is a court date has been set for the trial as I understand it. I'm not really sure why that triggered the firing though.
   
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Public knowledge? None of this was known until this year. A court date hasn't been set but the case also hasn't been dismissed despite numerous hearings so there's a high chance it will go to trial.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I really honestly dislike a lot of things about cancel culture, and this really is on of the worst aspects of it.

If he's guilty then he deserves it... Should wait until he is confirmed guilty though.



I don't see their statement, just the article linking it tot he court case. So the full reasons for terminating contract aren't given. Could be a workplace thing happening in parallel.
   
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Also not sure firing a guy facing felony charges really counts as "cancel culture."

It's not like he told an off-color joke, he's being accused of domestic violence.
   
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 Polonius wrote:
Generally speaking, by the time a criminal case against a well represented defendant reaches trial, the prosecution has already shown that there is substantial evidence of guilt. Remember that in the US the prosecution must prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the defendant committed the crime. A person can be acquitted at trial, or have a technicality result in dismissal, and an employer can still find very likely that the person committed the acts they were accused of.

Cops and prosecutors and courts railroad people all the time, but that's when nobody cares about the defense. When a person has money and means, it's a bit different. I read that there have been a dozen hearings already in this case, which sounds like a vigorous defense, and the case proceeds.

TL;DR - an employer that fires an employee who is facing a trial for felony is probably not being hasty, as while they have not been found guilty of a crime, there is almost certainly ample evidence that they engaged in wrong doing.


Substantial evidence, I guess, but it's more like there's enough evidence that they need a court ruling to be sure. We can't just assume that they did it because it's going to court, otherwise many people accused of similar things may be harmed. I don't think any of us want to go back to a time in which someone accusing you of rape could get you killed by mob "justice."

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 TheBestBucketHead wrote:

Substantial evidence, I guess, but it's more like there's enough evidence that they need a court ruling to be sure. We can't just assume that they did it because it's going to court, otherwise many people accused of similar things may be harmed. I don't think any of us want to go back to a time in which someone accusing you of rape could get you killed by mob "justice."


Well, an employer firing an employee is not nearly the same thing as a lynching, so let's keep the discussion a little bit grounded here.

Criminal convictions require the highest burden of proof exactly because they can lead to the loss of liberty or life. Plenty of people convicted did not commit the crime, and vice versa, but the goal is to allow a jury to decide if the burden is met.

Adult Swim no doubt did their own investigation, but they also can rely on the fact that people indicted of crimes are guilty a really high percentage of the time. Criminal defense attorneys know this.

That this is a domestic violence situation is the main complicating factor. These often devolve into a he said/she said situation, which historically has meant which party has high socio-economic status will generally be believed. So, depending on how much you are inclined to belief one side or the other, you may never be satisfied by the legal outcome.

As soembody here suggested, there's a whiff of "glad to be rid of that guy" to this. there could be other factors leading up to this.
   
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Conviction rates aren't so incredibly high that you should assume just because a case is being brought before a court that there's good enough evidence for them to be guilty. Yes, it's the responsibility of the attorneys to bring a case that a reasonable jury could potentially convict, but the bar isn't that high and in controversial cases a judge will tend to let things slide and let a jury decide when in reality things should just be dismissed or evidence disallowed or whatever.

Federal cases have a much higher conviction rate than state level felony cases, which depending on the charge might not be tremendously high, can't find numbers for domestic violence in CA, but the numbers I found for a cross section of the USA were just over 60% of defendants are prosecuted, and of those that are prosecuted just over 60% end in a conviction. So, slightly worse odds than a coin toss assuming the case is prosecuted at all.

There's little repercussions for a prosecutor that brings cases that are extremely weak. It's a complaint I've seen because even winning a criminal case can still be life destroying. A family friend had a case brought against them (not in the USA), they were smeared in the media, and then found not guilty but the not guilty finding didn't get anywhere near the media attention as them being initially charged. It cost them a fortune in money and had a significant hit on their reputation.

Anyway, I don't really know much of the specifics of this situation. Maybe they're justified in getting rid of Roiland. Of course there's cases like Johnny Depp where he lost a bunch of roles and reputation because of accusations while Amber Heard was allowed to keep going in her movies, when at worst you could say they were mutually abusive. In many ways I think that people should be allowed to remain anonymous until the results of the case are concluded unless there's some danger to the community for their name not being released... but then I also think it's good that court cases are public as live streaming of court cases helps bring awareness to cases where the court system is doing a bad job. After watching a few court cases I'm mostly horrified at how important good lawyers and a reasonable judge would be important over, ya know, actually being innocent.

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There's a wee bit of a difference between civil litigation and criminal charges being brought. If even the Tennessee police can fire the five of their own charged with murder before the case hits court, then, well.
   
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Catulle wrote:
There's a wee bit of a difference between civil litigation and criminal charges being brought. If even the Tennessee police can fire the five of their own charged with murder before the case hits court, then, well.


Yeah of course there's a bit of a difference between civil and criminal litigation, but the Tennessee thing is even further from comparable The department would have been able to see the bodycam footage before the charges dropped along with eye witness reports allowing them to decide well before the court case whether the cops were fit for duty. Even if they are acquitted for some reason of murder, the evidence of whether they are fit to be cops is already there for the department to evaluate.

When it comes to a DV case, it's rarely as obvious. Spiteful ex-partners are a thing, maybe the DV was more mutual abuse than an initial glance at the evidence might suggest, maybe the evidence is weak but the prosecutor is bringing it for personal or political reasons (high profile cases can further an attorney's career even if they lose). Maybe they are guilty of it but the evidence isn't there to find them guilty. The conviction rate for state tried felonies in the US isn't super high.

There's a lot of options there, I don't know what evidence is publicly available in this case, maybe it's enough to lay judgement ahead of time, but my argument is the existence of a criminal case isn't enough to presume wrongdoing like was being suggested in this thread.

I know the whole "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't prevent private entities from acting, but I think we could do with a reminder of why that standard exists in the first place. People should, IMO, be given the benefit of the doubt up until the point it is very clear they're just a terrible person (which sometimes happens, I watched a decent chunk of the 3 week Darrell Brooks trial when it was plainly obvious the dude was guilty and a downright terrible person to boot).

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
When it comes to a DV case, it's rarely as obvious. Spiteful ex-partners are a thing, maybe the DV was more mutual abuse than an initial glance at the evidence might suggest, maybe the evidence is weak but the prosecutor is bringing it for personal or political reasons (high profile cases can further an attorney's career even if they lose). Maybe they are guilty of it but the evidence isn't there to find them guilty. The conviction rate for state tried felonies in the US isn't super high.


this is a lot of words for "I think women lie about abuse a lot."
   
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I was reading about this and came across an older filing against Squanch Games, where a former female employee brought up allegations of workplace sexual harassment.
She was subsequently let go, and the firm settled out of court. It was not mentioned which person at Squanch did the harassing, but it’s also worth mentioning as the victim was paid out.
Methinks there might be more to this kind of behaviour from Roiland.
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Gunna have some stiff competition with this guy.

https://www.tiktok.com/@seankellysays/video/7192457981219425582

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 Polonius wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
When it comes to a DV case, it's rarely as obvious. Spiteful ex-partners are a thing, maybe the DV was more mutual abuse than an initial glance at the evidence might suggest, maybe the evidence is weak but the prosecutor is bringing it for personal or political reasons (high profile cases can further an attorney's career even if they lose). Maybe they are guilty of it but the evidence isn't there to find them guilty. The conviction rate for state tried felonies in the US isn't super high.


this is a lot of words for "I think women lie about abuse a lot."


I feel like you should try to take comments like this in good faith instead of viewing it in tribal warfare. Women lie, men lie. It's important not to jump to conclusions.

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