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Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?

 Malika2 wrote:
Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?

don't have one, don't really have an interest in getting one, and find it somewhat frustrating playing against people who have things that seem to take far longer to flip through than a book, assuming the battery hasn't gone flat.

just think a hole punched book where you can quite easily leave the fluff bits or unrelated bits at home and just bring the bits for the army you have is useful

leopard wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

leopard wrote:
they look nice, rules to be in yet another book that will presumably be impossible to get hold of

At the rate they’re going we’ll have four books in a year. That was a big part of me abandoning LI, not into chasing books, at least not when they’re hard to find expensive hardbacks. The other big part was I still don’t like the overly complex rules.

not to bothered with the rules being too complex, 100% agree on book chasing though. its a small scale game, it needs a rulebook thats portable, the idea it needs more than two books is borderline none-starter. Especially when its not like HH where yes there are a few but you don't overly need to lug too many about to actually play it.

those books are not lightweight and not keen on lugging them about.

GW seriously need to go to a ring binder concept for all this

Am I really the only one that does not care about books and prints just the datasheet of the units I am interested in? (i.e. Malcador Infernus, Dracosan)

Hopefully by the time the next book is out, we’ll have all the other revealed kits which currently have rules on sale. Or at least released and pending a restock.

For Marines? That’s non-Thunderhawk Flyers, Fast Attack box, Dreadnought Drop Pods, Predators and Sicarans - which remain locked to the big box.

For Solar Auxilia? Leman Russ, Malcadors, probably some flyers?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder if they’ll have rules for driving through Buildings?

If memory serves, the old Hellbore (the honking great version, which could carry a Company of Imperial Guard) could surface under a building with relative safety, bringing it down around it?

Even if it’s a suicide move for the Termites, might make them appealing to some.

Article said they'll have deep strike. So they're pods with better value per box seemingly.

guess they can assault buildings (if they get the right keywords) to damage them. some specific rule though would help, like a significant CAF boost fighting anything unable to move

Nice. Shame there's no transporter to go with them...

 zedmeister wrote:
Nice. Shame there's no transporter to go with them...

Yeah - missed opportunity there (unless they're coming later as a FW 'upgrade' kit...)

 tauist wrote:
I still have fond memories of the old metal termites for Epic. If I buy these, I will be compelled to make a homage of one of those from at leat one of these. They were partially submerged, with only the drilly front bit poking from the ground.

Also, looking forward to seeing this one in 28mil in the near future

If you can slice them diagonally cleanly enough, you can double your # of models with half going down and half coming up.

I'm hoping there's a bit more to them than just another flavor of drop pod, at least the value is there compared to the drop pod box but a disappointment that they won't be transport options for both factions as hh 2.0 seems to be moving away from that.

Presumably they’re multiple use drop pods, as once arrived they should be able to at least move about above ground.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Presumably they’re multiple use drop pods, as once arrived they should be able to at least move about above ground.

I guess the only difference is perhaps they can't arrive turn one if deep striking maybe. But its also that you get twice as many in a box compared to pods so they also seem to sorta compete on the value front as well.

I just wish they would A) get the core astartes infantry box back in stock, and B) release more of the core astartes support units. (It's wild to me you can't buy the Siceran/Predatrs seprately yet) I need them for my mini-hammer. Turns out Li models are a perfect 1/3rd scale and can be used to play Oldhammer games on a table that fits in a typical briefcase.

 Malika2 wrote:
Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?

Ah yes, so make the barrier to entry several hundred dollars more in needing to buy an ipad

But given how GW writes rules (4 paragraphs to say 1 thing, and rules spread across 4 different books/files) I feel like reading rules off an ipad mid-game would be a pain in the arse.

I do like my e-reader for novels, I don't particularly want something like that for rules though.

 tauist wrote:
I still have fond memories of the old metal termites for Epic. If I buy these, I will be compelled to make a homage of one of those from at leat one of these. They were partially submerged, with only the drilly front bit poking from the ground.

Nothing a few swipes with a razor saw wouldn't fix...

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
I just wish they would A) get the core astartes infantry box back in stock, and B) release more of the core astartes support units. (It's wild to me you can't buy the Siceran/Predatrs seprately yet) I need them for my mini-hammer. Turns out Li models are a perfect 1/3rd scale and can be used to play Oldhammer games on a table that fits in a typical briefcase.

Agreed, LI models make for great 40K & HH proxies. The smaller scale works wonders for table sizes

I've been looking to buy another set of Astartes infantry, you kind of need 2 minimum to get anywhere with a marine army in LI, and they only seem to be available fro GW direct

seem to remember, maybe bad memory though, that the tunneller transports had a purpose in that if they had sight of the target surfacing location the scattering was reduced

which also provided incentive to try and kill the otherwise largely unarmed static transports

plus they looked good, mole & hellbore especially

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?

Ah yes, so make the barrier to entry several hundred dollars more in needing to buy an ipad

But given how GW writes rules (4 paragraphs to say 1 thing, and rules spread across 4 different books/files) I feel like reading rules off an ipad mid-game would be a pain in the arse.

I do like my e-reader for novels, I don't particularly want something like that for rules though.

Beats having to bring half a library with you just for playing a complete army of ONE faction. :p

to be honest better writing and organisation of rules and you wouldn't need so many books.

given GW has to outsource the printing I doubt the books make as much profit as the models either

Just seems like an odd and greedy business model. Same happens with Necromunda for which by now you’ll probably need half a dozen books just to play a campaign…

Necromunda is one that seriously needs version control adding

though its not too bad. base book and your gang book and you can get by, the rest are more "so long as someone has one if it matters"

besides its a lot easier to make stuff up

but again, another that seriously needs someone with OCD to go through and organise it

Anything I've missed from the below in terms of what we know should be coming?

Announced but not released:
- Termites x 8
- Sicarans x 4
- Predators x 6
- Dreadnought Drop Pods x 4
- Astartes Fast Attack box
- Malcadors x 2
- Leman Russ (battle tanks & vanquishers) x 8
- Shadowsword/Stormsword/Stormblade x 2
- Dracosans x 6
- Stormhammer x 1 (/2?)

Existing models not yet reprinted for LI:
- Xiphons
- Storm Eagles
- Fire Raptors
- Thunderbolts
- Avengers
- Some Knights? Not really up on these

Seen in rulebook interior artwork but not announced:
- Leman Russ variants (specifically, executioner and exterminator - any more seen?)

Plus at least one more book.

Anything I've missed?

I'm working on a Solar Aux army, but my wish list is all Astartes - Stormbird, Mark III Infantry and plastic Primarchs! Probably shouldn't get my hopes up.

leopard wrote:
Necromunda is one that seriously needs version control adding

though its not too bad. base book and your gang book and you can get by, the rest are more "so long as someone has one if it matters"

besides its a lot easier to make stuff up

but again, another that seriously needs someone with OCD to go through and organise it

Genuine but admittedly somewhat of a cop-out opinion? The Necromunda Books are more serving suggestions to me. I’ve a copy of every book released, barring the latest rule book. The variants campaigns are food for thought, not something I’d necessarily serve as is. Because for me, that’s what Necromunda has always been. Homebrew City, where GW offers meal kits and condiments, but I’m gonna make my burger my way, and adjust the seasoning to the taste of players.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

leopard wrote:
Necromunda is one that seriously needs version control adding

though its not too bad. base book and your gang book and you can get by, the rest are more "so long as someone has one if it matters"

besides its a lot easier to make stuff up

but again, another that seriously needs someone with OCD to go through and organise it

Genuine but admittedly somewhat of a cop-out opinion? The Necromunda Books are more serving suggestions to me. I’ve a copy of every book released, barring the latest rule book. The variants campaigns are food for thought, not something I’d necessarily serve as is. Because for me, that’s what Necromunda has always been. Homebrew City, where GW offers meal kits and condiments, but I’m gonna make my burger my way, and adjust the seasoning to the taste of players.

yup quite, indeed all games are really like that, a base framework and suggestions

Also, without encroaching on the opinions of others? If a drip release of books and associated kits is what it takes to make the games financially worthwhile for GW? Whilst quite the assumption, I’d rather that than the boom and bust of old Specialist Games.

Though they have taken the piss with so many Necromunda rule books in such a short space of time. Evolution is one thing. Rampant mutation is another.

How very Imperial of me!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Also, without encroaching on the opinions of others? If a drip release of books and associated kits is what it takes to make the games financially worthwhile for GW? Whilst quite the assumption, I’d rather that than the boom and bust of old Specialist Games.

Though they have taken the piss with so many Necromunda rule books in such a short space of time. Evolution is one thing. Rampant mutation is another.

How very Imperial of me!

I’ve always considered the various Necromunda books to be directly equivalent to DnD setting and splat books, for whatever that’s worth. The game has always been about role playing your gang, after all.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Also, without encroaching on the opinions of others? If a drip release of books and associated kits is what it takes to make the games financially worthwhile for GW? Whilst quite the assumption, I’d rather that than the boom and bust of old Specialist Games.

Though they have taken the piss with so many Necromunda rule books in such a short space of time. Evolution is one thing. Rampant mutation is another.

How very Imperial of me!

Not that lack of sales was issue before either.

 cerebaton wrote:
Anything I've missed from the below in terms of what we know should be coming?

Waiting for the following...

- Knight and Titan bundles.
- Porphyrions and Cerastus( Castigators & Acherons ).
- Iconoclaust Titan.

...I'm hoping that GW will see sense and release a new Titanicus book when this lot comes back in, or failing that a proper Legions Imperialis book that allows players to migrate from Titanicus. Not announced, but If Titanicus is staying then the following two kits would be sensible...

- Alternative Warbringer kit.
- Plastic Armigers.

 Malika2 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Or just get the book digitally and read it on your iPad?

Ah yes, so make the barrier to entry several hundred dollars more in needing to buy an ipad

But given how GW writes rules (4 paragraphs to say 1 thing, and rules spread across 4 different books/files) I feel like reading rules off an ipad mid-game would be a pain in the arse.

I do like my e-reader for novels, I don't particularly want something like that for rules though.

Beats having to bring half a library with you just for playing a complete army of ONE faction. :p

I have an even better solution, don't give GW money for writing gakky rules

But yeah, I've gone back to building Epic armies using old Epic rules and proxies. If they turn around LI, then I might revisit it, but I'm going to guess we have 4 books before the game hits 1 year old

So is it confirmed that stuff like the Xiphon and Storm Eagle will be coming back into production?