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Another thread in the basis we might actually get closer to the answer in some of the new DA fluff…

I recently watched a YouTube saying they think cypher is omegon and apparently a fair few people share this theory (so how come I just heard it?)

The idea is that:

Cypher is super mysterious like the AL are good at
He seems to be playing both sides sometimes, anyone AL trait,
He made a deal that would give him access to the emperor (to take new orders from daddy)
He never turned traitor like alpharius and cutover seems to be working in the emperors favour atm
Alpharius and omegon were the same size as a standard astartes
He has super duper fun skills
His ability to teleport through time and space would be classic AL use of alien tech a bit like how the dark angels have loads of heretical tech stuffed in the rock (maybe he uses the same forest dimension as the lion)

I don’t know if this is what will become truth but I like the idea and I like the idea of a AL/Fallen codex

mrFickle wrote:
Another thread in the basis we might actually get closer to the answer in some of the new DA fluff…

I recently watched a YouTube saying they think cypher is omegon and apparently a fair few people share this theory (so how come I just heard it?)

The idea is that:

Cypher is super mysterious like the AL are good at
He seems to be playing both sides sometimes, anyone AL trait,
He made a deal that would give him access to the emperor (to take new orders from daddy)
He never turned traitor like alpharius and cutover seems to be working in the emperors favour atm
Alpharius and omegon were the same size as a standard astartes
He has super duper fun skills
His ability to teleport through time and space would be classic AL use of alien tech a bit like how the dark angels have loads of heretical tech stuffed in the rock (maybe he uses the same forest dimension as the lion)

I don’t know if this is what will become truth but I like the idea and I like the idea of a AL/Fallen codex

You'll probably want to wait until the end of june to have that conversation - a lot of this rest on stuff that is revealed in the new Cypher novel, and that is currently only available in the limited-edition run of a few thousand or by breaking the law. Much of what some of the youtubers tell is either taken out of context, seriously chinese-whispered by people that actually got the book or just plain trolling they get fed from people that claim to have it. The book enters general circulation on june 28 iirc, best not to discuss that stuff right now and spoiler people that did not even have a chance to buy it yet

I didn’t know there was a new cypher book, is it part of a cypher series?

mrFickle wrote:
I didn’t know there was a new cypher book, is it part of a cypher series?

It's called Cypher: Lord of the Fallen and was so far only released in special edition. I do not know if it is part of any series.

Huh.
This theory sounds like garbage, but I do wonder at the psychology of fandoms that everything has to devolve into being completely interconnected always.
That there are different moving parts and they don't have any relationship is increasingly anathema. Its very strange.

Voss wrote:
Its very strange.

Not strange humans are prewired for pattern recognition.

Cypher is very obviously just Sly Marbo, when he needs a vacation.

What I find weird is this: we all know Cypher has the Lion's Sword. In the past, it felt like he was some sort of steward of the sword, because he refused to actually use it.

But now that the Lion is awake, why doesn't he have his old sword back?!

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
What I find weird is this: we all know Cypher has the Lion's Sword. In the past, it felt like he was some sort of steward of the sword, because he refused to actually use it.

But now that the Lion is awake, why doesn't he have his old sword back?!

In older(though still mentioned in the 8th Ed DA Codex) Cypher fluff, The Lion Sword is broken. Cypher is the steward of a shattered blade and his entire goal is to the bring the pieces before the Emperor. It's implied that the Emperor will reforge the blade as a symbol of forgiveness for the Fallen.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
What I find weird is this: we all know Cypher has the Lion's Sword. In the past, it felt like he was some sort of steward of the sword, because he refused to actually use it.

But now that the Lion is awake, why doesn't he have his old sword back?!

The Galaxy is a big place and the Lion's awakening isn't common knowledge. So it isn't like Cypher should magically appear to the Lion and present him his sword.

Besides, I doubt the Lion gives to feths about that blade. It's just a sword as far as he is concerned. He has another that kills monsters just fine.

 Adeptekon wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its very strange.

Not strange humans are prewired for pattern recognition.

'Pattern recognition' is a real thing. It has zip to do with forcibly tying every fictional setting into tiny incestuous balls, where nothing happens that isn't related to every other thing.
'Star Wars Street (or warhammer street), doesn't have a pattern, fans and writers are just unimaginative.

Isn't everything connected?

The dark angles are the first legion and the alpha legion are the last legion. Although they achieve their outcomes in different ways, both thrive on secrets and lies. There is an element of full circle there and like other primarch sand legions shared common traits perhaps the Dark Angels are the ones to share some personality with the alpha legion.

So maybe The Lion and Omegon have been friends for long time. And to go full tin hat, are there any stories where dark angels and alpha legion, especially the primarchs, are in the same room at the same time?

I'd say see how far you can run with it.

mrFickle wrote:

So maybe The Lion and Omegon have been friends for long time. And to go full tin hat, are there any stories where dark angels and alpha legion, especially the primarchs, are in the same room at the same time?

Do babies in incubation capsules count?

Tsagualsa wrote:

mrFickle wrote:

So maybe The Lion and Omegon have been friends for long time. And to go full tin hat, are there any stories where dark angels and alpha legion, especially the primarchs, are in the same room at the same time?

Do babies in incubation capsules count?

When do their psychic powers kick in?

mrFickle wrote:
The dark angles are the first legion and the alpha legion are the last legion. Although they achieve their outcomes in different ways, both thrive on secrets and lies. There is an element of full circle there and like other primarch sand legions shared common traits perhaps the Dark Angels are the ones to share some personality with the alpha legion.

So maybe The Lion and Omegon have been friends for long time. And to go full tin hat, are there any stories where dark angels and alpha legion, especially the primarchs, are in the same room at the same time?

Weren’t Alpha Legion supposed to have helped the Dark Angels during the rangdan xenocides? Maybe they had secret meetings then and have been best pals ever since?

Aash wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
The dark angles are the first legion and the alpha legion are the last legion. Although they achieve their outcomes in different ways, both thrive on secrets and lies. There is an element of full circle there and like other primarch sand legions shared common traits perhaps the Dark Angels are the ones to share some personality with the alpha legion.

So maybe The Lion and Omegon have been friends for long time. And to go full tin hat, are there any stories where dark angels and alpha legion, especially the primarchs, are in the same room at the same time?

Weren’t Alpha Legion supposed to have helped the Dark Angels during the rangdan xenocides? Maybe they had secret meetings then and have been best pals ever since?

When the Alpha Legion (but not the twins) made their official debut, they may or may not have basically buttered up the Dark Angels and asked for permission to learn from their noble and renowned cousins. Also, weren't the AL undercover among the DA as part of the War of Secrets story?

Regardless, the OP's theory is a pretty big stretch. More than one person in the galaxy is allowed to be mysterious. Traveling through time and space is a thing that both humans and non-humans do through means both technological and supernatural. We don't know that Cypher utilizes alien tech, and even if he does, he wouldn't be the only human to do so. If being shady and using xenos tech while wearing power armor was strong evidence of being Omegon, then good news; I've found Omegon: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Ordo-Xenos-Lord-Inquisitor-Kyria-Draxus-2020

no one said this was definitive and if the shoes fits a few other people then it might be fun to call out candidates to be cypher or omegon. But it would be a non random story if cypher was omegon, if cypher turns out to be someone that we’ve never heard off or someone that came to being thousands of years after the HH, then that just won’t work from a story telling point of view. It’ll be too random to be interesting.

I think we it’s safe to say that the AL probably had operatives in every legion, even before the HH, especially if alpharius really was the first primarch to be found.

Voss wrote:

 Adeptekon wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its very strange.

Not strange humans are prewired for pattern recognition.

'Pattern recognition' is a real thing. It has zip to do with forcibly tying every fictional setting into tiny incestuous balls, where nothing happens that isn't related to every other thing.
'Star Wars Street (or warhammer street), doesn't have a pattern, fans and writers are just unimaginative.

Dude, chill. People have more fun speculating and being wrong than not speculating and being right. No need to come in and try to gak all over it.