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So, I started experimenting with yellow. Why? I do so love the Imperial Fists lore. Is yellow as difficult as they say to work with? Yes.

So, I quickly dry rushed a pair of models and wanted to get your thoughts.

The model on the left is Averlander Sunset with a yellow glaze. The one on the right is Yriel Yellow with the same yellow glaze.

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By themselves I prefer the right.

If you are going to weather/chip/grunge or otherwise go for a more realistic look, I’d start with the left.

   
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Well, if you're drybrushing and using the same glaze, why not give the one on the left a zenithal Yriel drybrush before the glaze for instant highlights? Best of both worlds.

If you're not looking to actually rush anything and these are just quick tests, I'd go with the one on the left for the same reason. It's darker and makes for a better base for further highlights.

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I considered the highlight idea for the one on the left.

No matter which one I do, I think the basic technique/order of painting will be..
1 black base
2 air brush (either Averlander or Yriel)
3 black line the armor lines
4 (maybe a lightened highlight?)
5 glazing

So far, amongst my family the consensus seems to be the one in the left but the one in the right look more imperial fist.

I am very torn.

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I'm not sure what the purpose of the glaze would be, in your colour scheme? The tint to the basecoat wouldn't be very noticable, IMHO.

A layer of highlights would make them "pop" way more than a glaze would, yet the glaze seems way more important to you?

Again, just my opinion.
   
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I prefer the brighter yellow on the left. Did you prime with black? Seems an odd choice for yellow, but I’m no expert. I thought pink and purple priming were the secret hack for yellow.

Have you tried the imperial fist contrast paint?
   
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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I'm not sure what the purpose of the glaze would be, in your colour scheme? The tint to the basecoat wouldn't be very noticable, IMHO.

A layer of highlights would make them "pop" way more than a glaze would, yet the glaze seems way more important to you?

Again, just my opinion.


The glaze is actually massive. It turns the Averlander from ocher to yellow and the yrieal from a lemony yellow into a golden yellow. If I can, I will post a glaze/non glaze photo.

Yeah, highlights will make them pop. The question is which color will they highlight? Which one is more imperial fist like.

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mrFickle wrote:
I prefer the brighter yellow on the left. Did you prime with black? Seems an odd choice for yellow, but I’m no expert. I thought pink and purple priming were the secret hack for yellow.

Have you tried the imperial fist contrast paint?


Re the contrast paint. I have. It's a solid product but leans into an issue I have with a lot of yellow schemes...that it shades into a brown/orange in the recesses rather than a black. It's a perfectly fine color choice to make but it isn't my favorite. Just an issue of personal opinion on my part.

Re black v red or pink. I think it depends on what kind of paint and how you are applying. In this experiment I just did 2 light layers of dry brushing and didn't have a problem. Modern yellows have much more pigment than they used too so will cover way better.

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 ender502 wrote:
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I'm not sure what the purpose of the glaze would be, in your colour scheme? The tint to the basecoat wouldn't be very noticable, IMHO.

A layer of highlights would make them "pop" way more than a glaze would, yet the glaze seems way more important to you?

Again, just my opinion.


The glaze is actually massive. It turns the Averlander from ocher to yellow and the yrieal from a lemony yellow into a golden yellow. If I can, I will post a glaze/non glaze photo.

Yeah, highlights will make them pop. The question is which color will they highlight? Which one is more imperial fist like.

ender502




If you are using the glaze just to change the tint on the yellow, why not just create your own yellow by mixing paints until you get the colour that you want? This way you can remove the glaze stage entirely, very useful if you are planning on painting a whole army.

Regarding which colour, If you plan to add highlights you should start with a darker basecoat (aveland equivalent). If you are not going to highlight it becomes just a matter of which you prefer, surely. Any yellow is good for Imperial Fists, there is no "real life" equivalent so it's not like you can accurately match the colour.

I also would advise against using yellow over a black undercoat, but you seem set on this, so good luck!

Edit: and yellow does look amazing over pink. Seeing as you have acces to an airbrush this is the route that I would go down.

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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:


If you are using the glaze just to change the tint on the yellow, why not just create your own yellow by mixing paints until you get the colour that you want? This way you can remove the glaze stage entirely, very useful if you are planning on painting a whole army.

Regarding which colour, If you plan to add highlights you should start with a darker basecoat (aveland equivalent). If you are not going to highlight it becomes just a matter of which you prefer, surely. Any yellow is good for Imperial Fists, there is no "real life" equivalent so it's not like you can accurately match the colour.

I also would advise against using yellow over a black undercoat, but you seem set on this, so good luck!

Edit: and yellow does look amazing over pink. Seeing as you have acces to an airbrush this is the route that I would go down.

The glaze changes the color but also adds depth to the color. That's what really like.

re baecoat..i can/will try a red or pink

re highlights...suggestion on what would highlight Averlander well? I really like the Yriel, it is tonally more in my wheel house but it is a bit bright. The...orangy-ness of the Averlander doesn't work as well for me. LOL. I am stuck in the middle. I might just highlight the Averlander with the Yriel..or perhaps a mix of the two.

complete aside....Averlander on traitor guard with a heavy agrax earthshade would probably be amazing.

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If you don't want to mix paints then, using Citadel paints, go Averland basecoat, First highlight Yriel, then Flash Gitz, then Dorn yellow. I don't use Citadel paints for yellows much so I might have gotten a few names wrong, but it's just going progessively lighter with each highlight.

If you do the glaze after all of the highlights it will tie all of the highlights together, making the transition appear much smoother as well as giving a great depth of colour.
   
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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
If you don't want to mix paints then, using Citadel paints, go Averland basecoat, First highlight Yriel, then Flash Gitz, then Dorn yellow. I don't use Citadel paints for yellows much so I might have gotten a few names wrong, but it's just going progessively lighter with each highlight.

If you do the glaze after all of the highlights it will tie all of the highlights together, making the transition appear much smoother as well as giving a great depth of colour.


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If you're going the drybrush route I would do heavy overbrush/drubrush averland, then less heavily with yriel, then flash gitz then dorn like Undead_Love-Machine says.

If you are airbrushing, I would guess that would be over white right? That, and then black lining could be good, the black lining probably will take a while, you will have to be careful and/or touch up the yellow a bunch after you have black lined

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 ph34r wrote:
If you're going the drybrush route I would do heavy overbrush/drubrush averland, then less heavily with yriel, then flash gitz then dorn like Undead_Love-Machine says.

If you are airbrushing, I would guess that would be over white right? That, and then black lining could be good, the black lining probably will take a while, you will have to be careful and/or touch up the yellow a bunch after you have black lined


I wold like to incorporate blacklining pre-glaze. I have a bunch stuff to reduce down the surface tension of paint such that it will "follow" lines one you put it in. Tamiya has ready made stuff to do "pane lining" with. It also works on space marines. Just an even thinner, faster GW style ink.

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Hmmm..... So, I did a base of Yriel yellow drybrushed on ( I am still trying to just work quickly). Then a thinned down black ink wash. That darkened the yellow up a bit (not as much as you might think) but it filled in the recesses very nicely. i then drybrushed Yriel yellow over the now slightly darker model. After that I did a yellow glaze (Vallejo Game color yellow). thhe result was pretty good.

The initial drybrush is problematic and I will be abandoning it going forward. I need a solid base of Yriel. Spots where the drybrush didn't hot hard enough over the black base reads as green.

in the future I will probably base in a read as suggested but for the moment I have several assault intercessors based black and that's what I am working with.

Getting a new airbrush as my old one crapped out on me.

I am having fun and enjoying the results.

So my modified process seems to be .....

Base Coat (black for now but eventually red)
air brush yriel layer #1
air brush yriel layer #2
Thinned nuln oil layer over the entire model
heavy-ish dry brush of yriel
light drybrush of dorn yellow
layer of vallejo gamecolor yellow ink

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Okay, the latest version is below. I did a white undercoat. Then a base of Averlander Sunset through the airbrush. Then a layer of Yriel yellow through the airbrush at a 45°-ish angle. Then a dry brush of dorn yellow. Finally a Vallejo game color yellow ink over the whole thing (may need a second coat).

Next wil.be the eagle (a dark red), the belt stuff (a dark brown)..ha..and the arms and head and back pack.





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Oh, I should add there will be a fairly liberal use agrax at the end to make the joints and indents more pronounced.

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Really good, a big improvement over your first two experiments
   
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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Really good, a big improvement over your first two experiments


Thanks! It was a trial and error to get the effects and highlights that I wanted. Yellow can be a heck of a pain. The airbrush makes it way simpler. More pics soon I hope.
   
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 ender502 wrote:
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I'm not sure what the purpose of the glaze would be, in your colour scheme? The tint to the basecoat wouldn't be very noticable, IMHO.

A layer of highlights would make them "pop" way more than a glaze would, yet the glaze seems way more important to you?

Again, just my opinion.


The glaze is actually massive. It turns the Averlander from ocher to yellow and the yrieal from a lemony yellow into a golden yellow. If I can, I will post a glaze/non glaze photo.

Yeah, highlights will make them pop. The question is which color will they highlight? Which one is more imperial fist like.

ender502


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mrFickle wrote:
I prefer the brighter yellow on the left. Did you prime with black? Seems an odd choice for yellow, but I’m no expert. I thought pink and purple priming were the secret hack for yellow.

Have you tried the imperial fist contrast paint?


Re the contrast paint. I have. It's a solid product but leans into an issue I have with a lot of yellow schemes...that it shades into a brown/orange in the recesses rather than a black. It's a perfectly fine color choice to make but it isn't my favorite. Just an issue of personal opinion on my part.

Re black v red or pink. I think it depends on what kind of paint and how you are applying. In this experiment I just did 2 light layers of dry brushing and didn't have a problem. Modern yellows have much more pigment than they used too so will cover way better.

ender502


I'm just learning to paint yellow and the contrast Imperia Fist seems to work well. Doesn't turn dark orange or brown in the corners.
   
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NorthernXY wrote:
 ender502 wrote:
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I'm not sure what the purpose of the glaze would be, in your colour scheme? The tint to the basecoat wouldn't be very noticable, IMHO.

A layer of highlights would make them "pop" way more than a glaze would, yet the glaze seems way more important to you?

Again, just my opinion.


The glaze is actually massive. It turns the Averlander from ocher to yellow and the yrieal from a lemony yellow into a golden yellow. If I can, I will post a glaze/non glaze photo.

Yeah, highlights will make them pop. The question is which color will they highlight? Which one is more imperial fist like.

ender502


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mrFickle wrote:
I prefer the brighter yellow on the left. Did you prime with black? Seems an odd choice for yellow, but I’m no expert. I thought pink and purple priming were the secret hack for yellow.

Have you tried the imperial fist contrast paint?


Re the contrast paint. I have. It's a solid product but leans into an issue I have with a lot of yellow schemes...that it shades into a brown/orange in the recesses rather than a black. It's a perfectly fine color choice to make but it isn't my favorite. Just an issue of personal opinion on my part.

Re black v red or pink. I think it depends on what kind of paint and how you are applying. In this experiment I just did 2 light layers of dry brushing and didn't have a problem. Modern yellows have much more pigment than they used too so will cover way better.

ender502


I'm just learning to paint yellow and the contrast Imperia Fist seems to work well. Doesn't turn dark orange or brown in the corners.


The only correct technique is the one that gives you the result that you like. I'm just not a fan of the imperial fist contrast paint.. at least, not for imperial fists.
   
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Yeah, I'm still messing around and seeing what yellow I like best. Just got Averland Sunset and Yreal Yellow for highlights.
   
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 NorthernXY wrote:
Yeah, I'm still messing around and seeing what yellow I like best. Just got Averland Sunset and Yreal Yellow for highlights.


Nice! Yeah, find something that works for you. Right now I'm using a combo of a GW Base paint, 2 layer paints and a Vallejo ink. I'll post some pics when I get a few moments. I've actually gotten several models through a bunch of the steps.

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Here is a further along the path marine..
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And a bunch of yellow guys.
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I've started using purple to shade yellow. This keeps the brightness while adding some depth.

You do need to be careful in applying though.
   
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 keezus wrote:
I've started using purple to shade yellow. This keeps the brightness while adding some depth.

You do need to be careful in applying though.


Please post some pics! I'd love to see that.

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Been a while. So, I have 14 mostly completed assault.intercessors. they were a great way to learn how to paint yellow. I also mostly constructed and with a first layer of paint on them..10 intercessors, 6 in eptors, 6 eradicators, 10 terminators, 1 captain, 6 outriders and 1 dreadnaught.
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WHAT'S on the bench right now.

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So,. I'm telling myself it isn't how much younger done but that you got something done. Since the base of Averlander is on my eradicators,. it's ok to put their jet packs on. The next step, yriel yellow, doesn't need to be as saturated as the Averlander.

On w the Averlander is on I can do a bunch more "putting together" and some of these guys will actually start looking like space Marines

So let's hear it for incremental progress! Woot!

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Here's a WIP of a couple of terminators. I just did a bunch of dry rushing tonight. Next will be glazing with a Vallejo game color yellow ink.
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Here is an experiment on an Ork model. Trying to figure out how to do my power weapons on my imperial fists.
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