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I returned for a nid edition, to build an army and ignore the awful rules anyway.

I ordered a lot of boxes for myself and kids. Some come not wrapped in foil and arrive in awful shape, I saw better on used stuff.

Why? Sales people say it's GW policy, what happened? Isn't it supposed to be a premium product, the chewed by dogs look surely doesn't convey that.

From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






First, where did you order them from?

In terms of foil/shrink wrap, I bought a couple of kits for my Heresy army this month. One (Sicaran Venator) was shrink wrapped. The other (Cerberus) just had thick plastic stickers on the flaps to secure the contents. My guess it’s to reduce plastic use in packaging.

How was it shipped to you? Who was the carrier, and what sort of shape was the box they came in in?

   
Made in es
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It's EU laws shenanigans again.

Right now the EU is running a new *plastic* tax wich affects all wrapping material among other rhings.
   
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 Lord Perversor wrote:
It's EU laws shenanigans again.

Right now the EU is running a new *plastic* tax wich affects all wrapping material among other rhings.


There is no EU law on plastic tax, at least not yet. Some countries within the EU (for example Spain) have introduced such a law. The UK has too, which is not within the EU.


Regardless of plastic taxes it’s pretty fashionable for companies to try to reduce the amount of single use plastic they use. I guess GW is doing the same.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
First, where did you order them from?

In terms of foil/shrink wrap, I bought a couple of kits for my Heresy army this month. One (Sicaran Venator) was shrink wrapped. The other (Cerberus) just had thick plastic stickers on the flaps to secure the contents. My guess it’s to reduce plastic use in packaging.

How was it shipped to you? Who was the carrier, and what sort of shape was the box they came in in?


Various shops, but they all blamed the shape it came in on GW.


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El Torro wrote:
 Lord Perversor wrote:
It's EU laws shenanigans again.

Right now the EU is running a new *plastic* tax wich affects all wrapping material among other rhings.


There is no EU law on plastic tax, at least not yet. Some countries within the EU (for example Spain) have introduced such a law. The UK has too, which is not within the EU.


Regardless of plastic taxes it’s pretty fashionable for companies to try to reduce the amount of single use plastic they use. I guess GW is doing the same.


Yes I heard that explanation too, about reducing plastic, but wanted to ask.

Sell you a box filled with polypropylene, but no wrap makes it ok heh. Nice metaphor on the entire eco movement too.

Everyday food comes packaged, a box that you buy 1 a month or sth makes 0 difference. It's so stupid.

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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
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NE Ohio, USA

Plumbumbarum wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
First, where did you order them from?

In terms of foil/shrink wrap, I bought a couple of kits for my Heresy army this month. One (Sicaran Venator) was shrink wrapped. The other (Cerberus) just had thick plastic stickers on the flaps to secure the contents. My guess it’s to reduce plastic use in packaging.

How was it shipped to you? Who was the carrier, and what sort of shape was the box they came in in?


Various shops, but they all blamed the shape it came in on GW.


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El Torro wrote:
 Lord Perversor wrote:
It's EU laws shenanigans again.

Right now the EU is running a new *plastic* tax wich affects all wrapping material among other rhings.


There is no EU law on plastic tax, at least not yet. Some countries within the EU (for example Spain) have introduced such a law. The UK has too, which is not within the EU.


Regardless of plastic taxes it’s pretty fashionable for companies to try to reduce the amount of single use plastic they use. I guess GW is doing the same.


Yes I heard that explanation too, about reducing plastic, but wanted to ask.

Sell you a box filled with polypropylene, but no wrap makes it ok heh. Nice metaphor on the entire eco movement too.

Everyday food comes packaged, a box that you buy 1 a month or sth makes 0 difference. It's so stupid.



So you're complaining that you can't further polute the environment with your monthly GW purchsses...
How entitled.
   
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Plumbumbarum wrote:
I returned for a nid edition, to build an army and ignore the awful rules anyway.

I ordered a lot of boxes for myself and kids. Some come not wrapped in foil and arrive in awful shape, I saw better on used stuff.

Why? Sales people say it's GW policy, what happened? Isn't it supposed to be a premium product, the chewed by dogs look surely doesn't convey that.


You sure the Customs didn't open anything? they have been REALLY assholish lately about opening anything coming out of UK or China/Russia.


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ccs 810127 11541298 wrote:

So you're complaining that you can't further polute the environment with your monthly GW purchsses...
How entitled.

Models that sit in a box or table don't pollute anything. Unless someone has ones made out of uranium.

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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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ccs wrote:

So you're complaining that you can't further polute the environment with your monthly GW purchsses...
How entitled.


So, you're suggesting that a single wrap on a 50 euro product once a month makes a difference?
How out of touch with reality.

Yes I am complaining. I will sand and cut infinitely more plastic from the sprue mountain looking at me now, compared to those potential few (and welcomed) puny little wraps. It's like tobbaco company not giving you receipt because it's harmful to your health. Or sth heh.

Not to mention, that level of being sorry for yourself is so absurd to me, that I will never achieve that. I generally avoid being a pest to the people and world around me, but guilt over demanding a wrap, I'll leave it to enlightened human beings like yourself. Have you been to a food store lately btw? If not, don't go, might be a moral shock.

Last but not least, the books in starter sets came wrapped, for a max total of 3 wraps in a box. That would sure be enough to wrap a box instead, no? It's all stupid and cheap posturing probably, not sure why fall for it and defend bad quality for the sake of some hypocritical PR statements.


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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
Made in pl
Longtime Dakkanaut




And what are you going to do with the models and what with the plastic on the box? I assume the moment you open the box the wrapping goes into the bin. Models get continuous use over years or decades even. Hardly comparable levels of plastic pollution.

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Do you keep the sprues?

From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
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Cyel wrote:
And what are you going to do with the models and what with the plastic on the box? I assume the moment you open the box the wrapping goes into the bin. Models get continuous use over years or decades even. Hardly comparable levels of plastic pollution.



Don't try to reason with him. Waste of your time.

2024 painted/bought: 109/109 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Do I know you? Seems I left quite a mark heh, it's been years.

Majority of people throw leftover sprues to the bin - true or false?

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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






I’m gonna venture that the shops you bought them from are telling Naughty Fibs.

Whilst some GW stuff takes a battering during transit, it’s mostly largely unavoidable stuff, like dinged corners, the occasional puncture to the box. But that’s due to handling, and the majority makes it to shelf in perfectly good condition.

If as you say it looks like a dog has been at it? It seems very unlikely GW hold any responsibility for it.

   
Made in pl
Longtime Dakkanaut




Yes it's seems mostly like abuse from handling and transport, some are better than others, one looks like had been opened more than few times.

They also said that the stickers are no longer a given, some come with it, some don't. Not sure if true, it's why I asked here

Chewed by dog is a bit of hyperbole heh, but they don't look good. Useless as a gift for example, that's for sure. I blame GW only on the level of wrap, which wouldn't help that much with bending but would with the wear and tear.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2023/06/01 07:42:20


From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
Made in gb
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Southampton, UK

Sounds a bit iffy to me, I'd definitely confirm everything is in the box
   
Made in pl
Longtime Dakkanaut




The one that looks opened is an elite starter box, the books inside are still wrapped, the sprues are ok, no ketchup stains heh and no true harm done. It just spent a lot of time in the shop probably, maybe some people wanted to see what's inside etc. I'm keeping and building it, was quite cheap and in general I'm happy with this particular purchase, despite the fact it's mine now instead of a gift like I planned (an maybe a bit because of that heh).

That's not the point tough. The point is, non of that would have happened if GW just wrapped it proper, instead of making sham moves to cover up the river of 500 years solid in soil polystyrene they are dumping onto the unsuspecting world. I have 2x Island of Blood starters that I bought at an absolute end of their shelf life, and those are pristine. I just love looking at the boxes, things of beauty that just sit there and gather value. Same with my full Tomb Kings lineup, all tightly wrapped and shining bright.

This elite edition though looks ugly, feels like sth you buy from 2nd hand stuff site, has no resell value as an unused product, can't be a gift anymore and reeks of low quality, all that for the sake of making an extremely hypocritical statement. I want my premium product premium packaged, I want my collector product to gain value etc etc.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2023/06/01 10:37:27


From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
First, where did you order them from?

In terms of foil/shrink wrap, I bought a couple of kits for my Heresy army this month. One (Sicaran Venator) was shrink wrapped. The other (Cerberus) just had thick plastic stickers on the flaps to secure the contents. My guess it’s to reduce plastic use in packaging.

How was it shipped to you? Who was the carrier, and what sort of shape was the box they came in in?


Various shops, but they all blamed the shape it came in on GW.

Then they're full of it.

The damage you're suggesting with transfer sheets missing, etc sounds like you bought off Amazon storefronts or cheap discounters. Shops who rely on other entities to fix their inability to properly ship or handle items for customers.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




Plumbumbarum wrote:
The one that looks opened is an elite starter box, the books inside are still wrapped, the sprues are ok, no ketchup stains heh and no true harm done. It just spent a lot of time in the shop probably, maybe some people wanted to see what's inside etc. I'm keeping and building it, was quite cheap and in general I'm happy with this particular purchase, despite the fact it's mine now instead of a gift like I planned (an maybe a bit because of that heh).

That's not the point tough. The point is, non of that would have happened if GW just wrapped it proper, instead of making sham moves to cover up the river of 500 years solid in soil polystyrene they are dumping onto the unsuspecting world. I have 2x Island of Blood starters that I bought at an absolute end of their shelf life, and those are pristine. I just love looking at the boxes, things of beauty that just sit there and gather value. Same with my full Tomb Kings lineup, all tightly wrapped and shining bright.

This elite edition though looks ugly, feels like sth you buy from 2nd hand stuff site, has no resell value as an unused product, can't be a gift anymore and reeks of low quality, all that for the sake of making an extremely hypocritical statement. I want my premium product premium packaged, I want my collector product to gain value etc etc.


If you're so concerned by the resell value or collectability of the product then you'll want to inspect the physical product itself before buying it. GW products are made to be used, not as collectables to stay in the box and gather dust on a shelf, so it's not unreasonable to switch to using less packaging if they deem it worthwhile. If the individual books within a box are still wrapped but the hard plastic components aren't, it seems highly likely that's a conscious decision from GW to save on packaging. Or the shop opened them up before you bought them, in which case see my previous comment about inspecting the product. Plastic wrapping won't protect the box from the type of damage you typically see from items delivered via mail either.

As for the points about sustainability and being eco friendly, yes GW produces stuff in plastic, which is not the most sustainable material. That doesn't mean small changes shouldn't be made that don't affect the purpose for which the product was manufactured.
   
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The Shire(s)

The sprue is also easy to recycle. The shrink-wrap, to my knowledge, is not. Personally, I don't throw away sprue, but then I got a meat mincer to turn sprue into rubble for terrain.

The wrap always annoyed me, I'm glad its use is reducing. Most foodstuffs also don't need shrink-wrap and I'm glad less is being used for groceries too.

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Slipspace wrote:

If you're so concerned by the resell value or collectability of the product then you'll want to inspect the physical product itself before buying it. GW products are made to be used, not as collectables to stay in the box and gather dust on a shelf, so it's not unreasonable to switch to using less packaging if they deem it worthwhile. If the individual books within a box are still wrapped but the hard plastic components aren't, it seems highly likely that's a conscious decision from GW to save on packaging. Or the shop opened them up before you bought them, in which case see my previous comment about inspecting the product. Plastic wrapping won't protect the box from the type of damage you typically see from items delivered via mail either.

As for the points about sustainability and being eco friendly, yes GW produces stuff in plastic, which is not the most sustainable material. That doesn't mean small changes shouldn't be made that don't affect the purpose for which the product was manufactured.


Again, the wrap inside would be enough to wrap the outside. Plus the wrap is so irrelevant in comparison to the sprues, (even PVC and there are replacements too), that it just comes of as silly.

Inspecting is not a solution, one guy in the shop said GW will not wrap anything anymore. So if true, and no stickers, it will only be sold as new because it's sold in the shop, as soon as you walk out with it it basically counts as used. I can inspect for a year, noone will buy it like they buy "new in foil" for sure.

What do you mean meant to be used. I want a new product to be packaged like new product. I buy a lot of boxes because GW phases stuff out, but I might never have time to build it all. Why can't I or my kids sell it as new years down the line, when it is kept cool, safe and with love. Too much to ask from a premium brand I guess, especially that they care for the environment now heh.

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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




Plumbumbarum wrote:
Again, the wrap inside would be enough to wrap the outside. Plus the wrap is so irrelevant in comparison to the sprues, (even PVC and there are replacements too), that it just comes of as silly.

The sprues are the product. There isn't a good alternative to them. Plus, the models themselves can last for decades. Some of my models are over 30 years old. The packaging typically goes straight in the bin and is almost impossible to recycle. The difference comes down to the purpose of each of the things you're talking about. Sure, the impact of not wrapping the boxes is fairly small, but it's not nothing especially at the scales GW operates.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Inspecting is not a solution, one guy in the shop said GW will not wrap anything anymore. So if true, and no stickers, it will only be sold as new because it's sold in the shop, as soon as you walk out with it it basically counts as used. I can inspect for a year, noone will buy it like they buy "new in foil" for sure.

GW are under no obligation to give their products resale value.


Plumbumbarum wrote:
What do you mean meant to be used. I want a new product to be packaged like new product. I buy a lot of boxes because GW phases stuff out, but I might never have time to build it all. Why can't I or my kids sell it as new years down the line, when it is kept cool, safe and with love. Too much to ask from a premium brand I guess, especially that they care for the environment now heh.

By definition, it is packaged like a new product. As pointed out by a few people here, lots of new products come without plastic wrapping now. If you don't touch it and care for it properly you can sell it as new. GW may be a premium brand, but they position themselves as such because of the quality of their models, not their collectability.

In short, you're asking GW to provide you with something they have no responsibility to provide, based on criteria they are under no obligation to accept.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
First, where did you order them from?

In terms of foil/shrink wrap, I bought a couple of kits for my Heresy army this month. One (Sicaran Venator) was shrink wrapped. The other (Cerberus) just had thick plastic stickers on the flaps to secure the contents. My guess it’s to reduce plastic use in packaging.

How was it shipped to you? Who was the carrier, and what sort of shape was the box they came in in?


Various shops, but they all blamed the shape it came in on GW.

Then they're full of it.

The damage you're suggesting with transfer sheets missing, etc sounds like you bought off Amazon storefronts or cheap discounters. Shops who rely on other entities to fix their inability to properly ship or handle items for customers.


They didn't blame GW as in that GW sends them like that. Just said that they are unprotected and that's how they end up after enough handling, transporting or just from handling boxes around it on shelf. Also nothing is missed, and the shops are mostly decent ones, yes cheaper than GW but not those with a single guy in the back of a beauty salon Better Call Saul style. Proper shops, some with tables to play etc.


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 Haighus wrote:
The sprue is also easy to recycle. The shrink-wrap, to my knowledge, is not. Personally, I don't throw away sprue, but then I got a meat mincer to turn sprue into rubble for terrain.

The wrap always annoyed me, I'm glad its use is reducing. Most foodstuffs also don't need shrink-wrap and I'm glad less is being used for groceries too.


It's exactly the other way around. Polystyrene is rarely recycled and much harder to do.

It's good that you do it, but the average consumer doesn't, and sprues end up in a bin. It's a no complete non point.

Basicaly anyone who claims that it's important for them that the wrap is removed because of eco reasons, not sure how one can sleep then supporting this polystyrene spitting monster that GW is. Unless too entitled ofc.




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Slipspace wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
Again, the wrap inside would be enough to wrap the outside. Plus the wrap is so irrelevant in comparison to the sprues, (even PVC and there are replacements too), that it just comes of as silly.

The sprues are the product. There isn't a good alternative to them. Plus, the models themselves can last for decades. Some of my models are over 30 years old. The packaging typically goes straight in the bin and is almost impossible to recycle. The difference comes down to the purpose of each of the things you're talking about. Sure, the impact of not wrapping the boxes is fairly small, but it's not nothing especially at the scales GW operates.


Save the trees, get rid of box, they sent sprues to me like that (DA kit I think) so it's possible, it's not not nothing at their scale. Rules pdf only, what are the books doing in there, do you realize the environmental impact en masse. Dice, no need, phone app. Etc.

Slipspace wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
Inspecting is not a solution, one guy in the shop said GW will not wrap anything anymore. So if true, and no stickers, it will only be sold as new because it's sold in the shop, as soon as you walk out with it it basically counts as used. I can inspect for a year, noone will buy it like they buy "new in foil" for sure.

GW are under no obligation to give their products resale value.


They are under no obligation to provide quality either. What kind of point is that.

Slipspace wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
What do you mean meant to be used. I want a new product to be packaged like new product. I buy a lot of boxes because GW phases stuff out, but I might never have time to build it all. Why can't I or my kids sell it as new years down the line, when it is kept cool, safe and with love. Too much to ask from a premium brand I guess, especially that they care for the environment now heh.

By definition, it is packaged like a new product. As pointed out by a few people here, lots of new products come without plastic wrapping now. If you don't touch it and care for it properly you can sell it as new. GW may be a premium brand, but they position themselves as such because of the quality of their models, not their collectability.

In short, you're asking GW to provide you with something they have no responsibility to provide, based on criteria they are under no obligation to accept.


Not sure why people demand plyable rules from them, they have no responsibility to do that either. Again, post to post.


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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka




NE Ohio, USA

Karol wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
I returned for a nid edition, to build an army and ignore the awful rules anyway.

I ordered a lot of boxes for myself and kids. Some come not wrapped in foil and arrive in awful shape, I saw better on used stuff.

Why? Sales people say it's GW policy, what happened? Isn't it supposed to be a premium product, the chewed by dogs look surely doesn't convey that.


You sure the Customs didn't open anything? they have been REALLY assholish lately about opening anything coming out of UK or China/Russia.


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ccs 810127 11541298 wrote:

So you're complaining that you can't further polute the environment with your monthly GW purchsses...
How entitled.

Models that sit in a box or table don't pollute anything. Unless someone has ones made out of uranium.


And I wasn't talking about the models.
I was talking about the shrink wrap that the OP was complaining was missing on his boxes. The wrap you tear off the box & chuck in the bin. Where do you think it goes after that?
I'll tell you. It's 1 more bit of plastic that ends up in a landfill somewhere. That's 1 more bit of plastic that breaks down & adds to the pollution. Yes, 1 GW packages worth of shrink wrap is a tiny tiny amount. It's also a completely pointless tiny tiny bit existence wise. What actual purpose was it serving? That couldn't be done just as well by a sticker or even a different box design? Answer: None. So why have it in the 1st place?
Why be upset that you didn't get it?

Now if the models themselves were damaged? Complain to the manufacturer &/or delivery service.
   
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Plumbumbarum wrote:
I returned for a nid edition, to build an army and ignore the awful rules anyway.

I ordered a lot of boxes for myself and kids. Some come not wrapped in foil and arrive in awful shape, I saw better on used stuff.

Why? Sales people say it's GW policy, what happened? Isn't it supposed to be a premium product, the chewed by dogs look surely doesn't convey that.



Complete aside but when you use the term "foil" it puts me in mind of something very different to the shrink-wrapping I'd expect on GW products.

Spoiler:

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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ccs wrote:
I was talking about the shrink wrap that the OP was complaining was missing on his boxes. The wrap you tear off the box & chuck in the bin. Where do you think it goes after that?
I'll tell you. It's 1 more bit of plastic that ends up in a landfill somewhere. That's 1 more bit of plastic that breaks down & adds to the pollution. Yes, 1 GW packages worth of shrink wrap is a tiny tiny amount. It's also a completely pointless tiny tiny bit existence wise. What actual purpose was it serving? That couldn't be done just as well by a sticker or even a different box design? Answer: None. So why have it in the 1st place?
Why be upset that you didn't get it?

Now if the models themselves were damaged? Complain to the manufacturer &/or delivery service.
Also, it isn't the 1 box's plastic wrap that GW is saving. If they are moving away from wrapped boxes to sealed boxes, they are actually saving their entire production line's wrap. That is a lot of plastic wrap over the course of a year.

As for the condition of the box, GW mostly considered the box to be a necessity and marketing opportunity. If they could get away with sending out your product in a brown paper sack they most certainly would.
   
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ccs wrote:

I was talking about the shrink wrap that the OP was complaining was missing on his boxes. The wrap you tear off the box & chuck in the bin. Where do you think it goes after that?
I'll tell you. It's 1 more bit of plastic that ends up in a landfill somewhere. That's 1 more bit of plastic that breaks down & adds to the pollution.


Oh no, 1 more plastic wrap, and then it adds up. Yes think about that, then think about all the discarded sprues, drilled and sanded resin, plastic dice, heavy books, not to mention multiple secondary environmentaly negative phenomenons that this GW hobby creates or contributes to, and tell me, how such enlightened, sensitive and environmentally conscious individual like you is able to support it? Can't you just use paper tokens? It strikes me as entitled and burgeois to demand that level of aesthetic pleasure for what is just a pasttime activity, when dolphins are coughing blood, seals are wailing in horror and bears are boiling in their own excrement.

I also hope that each time you buy cheese or meat, you buy it non packaged, stop the salesman when he's trying to wrap it and bring out your multiuse food container. Imagine how petty and nonsensical your argument would be otherwise.

ccs wrote:
Yes, 1 GW packages worth of shrink wrap is a tiny tiny amount. It's also a completely pointless tiny tiny bit existence wise. What actual purpose was it serving? That couldn't be done just as well by a sticker or even a different box design? Answer: None. So why have it in the 1st place?
Why be upset that you didn't get it?


Shrink wrap protects it from wear and makes it much easier to sell the box as brand new, how complicated is that. I have a few boxes with stickers and they're worn, not heavily even but it's already ugly and low quality packaging.

Also, if that's so pointless, why are the books inside wrapped? Isn't that even more pointless, given the box is not.

Your question is wrong, the right one is, what was wrong with it that it is removed now? It obviously made sense and had a purpose for most of the company's existance, what happened?

From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
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Also, if that's so pointless, why are the books inside wrapped? Isn't that even more pointless, given the box is not.

Not at all. Outer box packaging gets discarded (especially since they redesigned the boxes from traditional bottom+lid that can be easily reused for storage), books go on shelves. It matters if the book gets dinged up.

Your question is wrong, the right one is, what was wrong with it that it is removed now? It obviously made sense and had a purpose for most of the company's existance, what happened?

In the annual report they get to say they reduced their one-use plastic usage by XX% and get whatever green tax benefits that accrues. (And also its one less cost to packaging)

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
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Voss wrote:
Also, if that's so pointless, why are the books inside wrapped? Isn't that even more pointless, given the box is not.

Not at all. Outer box packaging gets discarded (especially since they redesigned the boxes from traditional bottom+lid that can be easily reused for storage), books go on shelves. It matters if the book gets dinged up.

Your question is wrong, the right one is, what was wrong with it that it is removed now? It obviously made sense and had a purpose for most of the company's existance, what happened?

In the annual report they get to say they reduced their one-use plastic usage by XX% and get whatever green tax benefits that accrues. (And also its one less cost to packaging)


The question was in response to the suggestion that the existence of wrap makes no sense at all. I like protected books, just as I like protected boxes.

And no, before it gets discarded it is a part of the product's aesthetics, value and quality. At least it was for 20 years or so for GW it seems.

And yes like I said, sham moves for sham reasons.



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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
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Plumbumbarum wrote:
ccs wrote:

I was talking about the shrink wrap that the OP was complaining was missing on his boxes. The wrap you tear off the box & chuck in the bin. Where do you think it goes after that?
I'll tell you. It's 1 more bit of plastic that ends up in a landfill somewhere. That's 1 more bit of plastic that breaks down & adds to the pollution.


Oh no, 1 more plastic wrap, and then it adds up. Yes think about that, then think about all the discarded sprues, drilled and sanded resin, plastic dice, heavy books, not to mention multiple secondary environmentaly negative phenomenons that this GW hobby creates or contributes to, and tell me, how such enlightened, sensitive and environmentally conscious individual like you is able to support it? Can't you just use paper tokens? It strikes me as entitled and burgeois to demand that level of aesthetic pleasure for what is just a pasttime activity, when dolphins are coughing blood, seals are wailing in horror and bears are boiling in their own excrement.

I also hope that each time you buy cheese or meat, you buy it non packaged, stop the salesman when he's trying to wrap it and bring out your multiuse food container. Imagine how petty and nonsensical your argument would be otherwise.

This has been explained to you multiple times in this thread. There are certain things that are required, depending on the product in question. Citadel miniatures are plastic so they need sprues for manufacturing, and plastic dust will be created when cleaning them up. This is an unavoidable consequence of the product. Plastic wrapping is not required for the product to function. It can be removed from the packaging for very little negative impact on the quality but a potentially useful benefit to the environment. It's the fact it's unnecessary that's the point.

I don't routinely use a multiuse food container, or refuse to buy products that use single-use packaging, but I'm also not going to complain if a company decides to remove unnecessary packaging.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
ccs wrote:
Yes, 1 GW packages worth of shrink wrap is a tiny tiny amount. It's also a completely pointless tiny tiny bit existence wise. What actual purpose was it serving? That couldn't be done just as well by a sticker or even a different box design? Answer: None. So why have it in the 1st place?
Why be upset that you didn't get it?


Shrink wrap protects it from wear and makes it much easier to sell the box as brand new, how complicated is that. I have a few boxes with stickers and they're worn, not heavily even but it's already ugly and low quality packaging.

Also, if that's so pointless, why are the books inside wrapped? Isn't that even more pointless, given the box is not.

Your question is wrong, the right one is, what was wrong with it that it is removed now? It obviously made sense and had a purpose for most of the company's existance, what happened?

The impact on the environment and/or the extra expense was what was wrong with it, at least according to GW. You don't seem to realise that GW couldn't care less about the resale value of sealed boxes of product, so your constant complaints about this extremely niche scenario are bizarre.
   
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What's bizarre is the need to explain why companies wrap products. Last thing I'd expect posting the thread.

This has been explained to me, and each time I answered. With that line of thinking, dice are not required for the product to function. Books are not required. Box is not required. And no wrap is not unnecessary, it is very useful, just you got brainwashed that a single wrap per billion million that the food industry produces every second is something that is even worth mentioning, and therefore accept your 60 to 180 euro box not even properly wrapped. Soon you will take it in a brown garbage bag decomposing in real time, smiling at the trees, then go buy your weekly stash of chupa chups, mountain dew and tacos for a grand total of a 10000 wraps equivalent.

You don't seem to realize that it's irrelevant whether GW couldn't care less about the resale value of the product or not. It's usually the opposite, companies don't want the product to be resold at all, and care for the opposite, for the value to be low. That's where consumers come in, and the attempts by companies to limit 2nd hand market are met with some reaction, example xbox 360 digital only games etc.

It's obvious they don't care, you should. Again, what kind of point is that, they don't have to, they don't care. Yes ofc.

From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.

A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.

How could I look away?

 
   
 
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