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The strat says you roll a number of dice equal to the Weapon strength characteristic. Some vehicles have Weapons with two profiles, Like the Chaos Knight with its warpclaw. Its strength is 20 and 10. The strat doesnt say you get to pick a Profile. Neither does it say you get to make attacks, which would allow you to Pick a profile. How many dice do you roll ? 22 or 10 ?

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You get to pick.
Seems insanely OP until you remember that you can can't do the same stratagem more than once per phase and Tank Shock is capped at 6 MW.

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The game breaks and the universe stops, obviously, p5

Or, you just pick one and move on.

Question: are you gonna do a thread for every non-problem now you’ve downloaded the free PDF?

 Stormonu wrote:
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It says "select one melee weapon your unit is equipped with. Roll a number of D6 equal to that weapon’s Strength characteristic."

So you do just that.

Assuming you mean the Warpstrike claw form one of three Knights: Rampager, Despoiler, or Desecrator. (Because I could not find a "warpclaw" that is "either strength 20 and10")

It has two profiles, either - Strike or - Sweep Strike has a Str of x2 and Sweep has a Str of +2 (The model has a base 8 Str) So you pick one.

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Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.

What i mean is the warpstrike claw previewed here :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/22/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-chaos-knights/

It has S20 and S10.

You dont select targets for this weapon, so you cannot select a profile.

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 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.
If someone wanted to Tank Shock with a Knight in a game, what would you do?

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 JNAProductions wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.
If someone wanted to Tank Shock with a Knight in a game, what would you do?


I would say you cant do that with a weapon with two profiles. The rule doesnt say what to do.
   
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Chicago, IL

 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.
Did you miss the part of the tank shock strat that said "select one melee weapon your unit is equipped with."?

In what you linked it has a weapon profile called "Warpstrike Claw - Strike" It also lists another weapon profile which is "Warpstrike Claw - Sweep"

I do not see how you are confused. They have their own profiles. So you just pick a weapon and use its strength.

"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.

I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!

We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
 
   
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Cardiff

 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.

What i mean is the warpstrike claw previewed here :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/22/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-chaos-knights/

It has S20 and S10.

You dont select targets for this weapon, so you cannot select a profile.


Stop making threads just to argue.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Germany

 DeathReaper wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.
Did you miss the part of the tank shock strat that said "select one melee weapon your unit is equipped with."?


Did you miss the part where that melee weapon has two strength characteristics ? Which one do i use ? The strat doesnt say to choose one.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.

What i mean is the warpstrike claw previewed here :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/22/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-chaos-knights/

It has S20 and S10.

You dont select targets for this weapon, so you cannot select a profile.


Stop making threads just to argue.


Stop replying to valid rules questions just to argue.

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Chicago, IL

 p5freak wrote:
 DeathReaper wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.
Did you miss the part of the tank shock strat that said "select one melee weapon your unit is equipped with."?


Did you miss the part where that melee weapon has two strength characteristics ? Which one do i use ? The strat doesnt say to choose one.
You pick the profile of the weapon to use as normal.

If it gives you two profiles and you cant understand what to do, the logical thing to do is pick one and keep the game going.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2023/06/03 10:25:48


"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.

I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!

We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
 
   
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Germany

 DeathReaper wrote:
You pick the profile of the weapon to use as normal.


No, you arent allowed to do that. You arent selecting targets for that weapon.
   
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Chicago, IL

 p5freak wrote:
 DeathReaper wrote:
You pick the profile of the weapon to use as normal.


No, you arent allowed to do that. You arent selecting targets for that weapon.
If it gives you two profiles and you cant understand what to do, the logical thing to do is pick one and keep the game going.

"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.

I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!

We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
 
   
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Cardiff

 p5freak wrote:
 DeathReaper wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.
Did you miss the part of the tank shock strat that said "select one melee weapon your unit is equipped with."?


Did you miss the part where that melee weapon has two strength characteristics ? Which one do i use ? The strat doesnt say to choose one.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Where does it say you get to pick one ? Citation please, i cant find it in the tank shock strat.

What i mean is the warpstrike claw previewed here :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/22/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-chaos-knights/

It has S20 and S10.

You dont select targets for this weapon, so you cannot select a profile.


Stop making threads just to argue.


Stop replying to valid rules questions just to argue.


Hush now. I, and others, gave valid answers on how to play this.

You weren’t looking for how to play this however. You started a thread to bait an argument. Your motivation is sus and I don’t feel bad about calling that out. If you were genuine you’d thank others for info/consensus. Instead you double down every time, diluting the utility of this forum. Cf your Strand of Fate thread. Gonna be a long old edition if you’re like this before it even starts…

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Birmingham, AL

 p5freak wrote:


No, you arent allowed to do that. You arent selecting targets for that weapon.


On the datasheet, it specifies "Before selecting targets for this weapon, select one of its profiles to make attacks with." First off, you're not making attacks with it so that's redundant. Secondly, that is only relevant in the Shooting Phase or Fight Phase so you don't use both in the same attack.

Lastly, the stratagem states to "Select one enemy unit within Engagement Range of it, then select one melee weapon your unit is equipped with."

Now, look at the Chaos Knight datasheet under melee weapons. There are 5 options. Now, all you do is SELECT ONE OF THEM!

You're overcomplicating this. It's simple and straight forward.


"People who have no hopes are easy to control, and whoever has the control has the power." ~ Gmork
A lion might be powerful, but a wolf never performed in a circus.
'Ere we go!!! 
   
 
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